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Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

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The video features F. Komaya, Product Development Director at Bitwize SARL and Lead Designer for Crypteks Inc. Bitwize is a web design company in Lebanon.[1] Sorry, but I'm not going to be sending money to someone in Lebanon no matter how good the CAD renders look. [1] http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bitwize-sarl/62/b19/256

Why not? I honestly have no idea what point you're making.

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

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A former acquaintance of mine (and noted scumbag) recently pulled this scam for a movie he made about (and with the backing of) a bunch of chiropractors. Raised over a quarter of a million dollars. He's since absconded with the funds to pay for his mansion/porsche, sent no dvds, and is now funding the sequel via Indiegogo.

I have always admired the man's ability to sniff out a good con, although the second film is having quite a bit of trouble getting a similar level of traction. I'm sure he'll be fine-- it's hard enough to get the government involved in regular fraud, let alone... whatever dubious legal standing funding a Kickstarter has.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems rather unlikely (hyperbole, to be frank) - those using Kickstarter are surely aware of the nature of the platform, not thinking of it as a checkout. Unless the refund process is unduly complex, there doesn't seem to be an obvious reason why the vast majority of backers wouldn't ask for a refund.

I think a lot more Kickstarter backers (especially on big projects like this one that attract a lot of first-time backers) think of Kickstarter as a checkout than as a way to contribute to cool projects and get something in return if the project succeeds.

That's their problem. Kickstarter isn't exactly duping them.

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It's unfortunate that all the updates are Backer-Only, including a recent one titled "Refund Reminder". Could someone on HN who backed this project summarize what the company has said in its Backer-Only communication?

I really wish kickstarter didn't hold project updates to backers only. I'd love to see some of the updates before I donate to a project.

It's the project creator's choice. They're frequently viewable by everyone.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "Then what's the incentive to participate at all?" Someone believes they can create a product you want. They can only create it if you give them some money to get going. The incentive is a product you want getting built. Do you want this thing enough that you're willing to risk $10 backing it? I think for a lot of people that's enough incentive.

Not even a VC backs a project purely because they believe in it - they look for the potential return.

Do you even know what Kickstarter is?

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The expectations some people have about crowdfunding are unrealistic. It has to be clear from the start that when you donate money to those projects the money will be spent and the project might fail anyway. People have been using Kickstarter as a pre-order site which I think is not ideal in many cases. The option to preorder should be different from supporting a project in general, but Kickstarter sadly doesn't offe…

I agree. My suggestion is to make a simple keyword replacement on the pledge/rewards sidebar:

Pledge $10 or more Pledge $50 or more

Replace it with..

Donate $10 or more Donate $50 or more

That would make things less ambiguous.

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The project has reached a $196K funding while the initial goal was "only" $12K. Maybe Kickstarter should limit the amount of money to this initial goal, or at least to twice the amount of this goal. If a project looks promising, more people are likely to pledge for it. But if Cryptrade thought $12K was enough to develop their project, that's probably all they actually needed. And $12K is both less tempting for Cryptr…

When the goal has been hit, users are more likely to back the project than when the goal was not hit. I think Formlabs founders also explained this in their post-Kickstarter interviews- they intentionally set initial goal below what they actually needed, in hopes that it's surpassed quickly.

Wow, this is dishonest and I'd be surprised if it wasn't against Kickstarter's TOS. What happens if they made their goal but no more? Part of the point is supposed to be that if the makers don't get enough money to fully fund the project, then none of the money goes out. By setting your KS goal lower than your actual goal, you're skirting around a part of Kickstarter designed to lower risk for backers AND makers. http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics#faq...

Re: Kickstarter project raised $196K and stopped responding

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post #30

The expectations some people have about crowdfunding are unrealistic. It has to be clear from the start that when you donate money to those projects the money will be spent and the project might fail anyway. People have been using Kickstarter as a pre-order site which I think is not ideal in many cases. The option to preorder should be different from supporting a project in general, but Kickstarter sadly doesn't offe…

I agree. My suggestion is to make a simple keyword replacement on the pledge/rewards sidebar: Pledge $10 or more Pledge $50 or more Replace it with.. Donate $10 or more Donate $50 or more That would make things less ambiguous.

Not at all. The Donate option would cause confusion, even for me. Pledge is the perfect word. Not only does donate imply giving money (which you don't do on Kickstarter), but it also implies a non-profit status.

I do however pledge to give money on KickStarter. I can cancel at any time. Heck, I can pledge and not pay when the time comes.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that changing from Pledge to Donate would have the opposite effect: cause more confusion, cause more problems, and not solve anything you are trying to solve.

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