Its sad that high profile news organizations in the United States now need to use secure communication channels out of fear of being harassed by their own government.
They have always needed to communicate securely.
U.S. Secretly Obtains Two Months of A.P. Phone Records
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#13This is so strange! When was a last time AP released anything that wasn't more than government PR. On many important issues like lead up to Iraq war and now to a potential Iran war, AP has just reported what's been expected of them. My thought is the wiretap was set to catch potential whistleblowers than to do anything with reporters or AP itself.
Correct. The government probably figured, they don't need a subpoena, because they already manage the AP so closely.
You aren't hearing any serious dissent from the AP.
That said, we have to be vigilant about any overreach, as civil rights are too hard to get back once you give them up.
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#14Second amendment's been gone for a while. Fifth and fourteenth haven't been seen in a minute, either. Peaceable assembly's overrated anyway. (RNC '04) How much of the first needs to be gone until it's enough to recognize that the USA is no longer a free society? How many whistleblowers, security researchers, and cryptographers need to be thrown in prison on bullshit trumped-up charges? How many hunger-striking politi…
But to where? There's not much space left on Earth that isn't held by a government that's worse in one regard or another. Until such time as moon rockets become practical and affordable, I don't see emigration as a viable option.
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#15Its sad that high profile news organizations in the United States now need to use secure communication channels out of fear of being harassed by their own government.
They haven't shown the gov't who's the boss since Watergate. They've been content to be subservient since then. Next, gov't will require them to use decryptable communications.
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#16Second amendment's been gone for a while. Fifth and fourteenth haven't been seen in a minute, either. Peaceable assembly's overrated anyway. (RNC '04) How much of the first needs to be gone until it's enough to recognize that the USA is no longer a free society? How many whistleblowers, security researchers, and cryptographers need to be thrown in prison on bullshit trumped-up charges? How many hunger-striking politi…
" Second amendment's been gone for a while. " Not even close. True if you live in one of 10 very bad states, two of which oddly are shall issue concealed carry ones that just went very bad (Connecticut and Colorado), but continuing that concealed carry theme, i.e. the "bear" in "the right to keep and bear arms" (RKBA), there's been a nationwide sweep of shall issue, starting in Florida in 1987 and ending with Iowa an…
I frequent NYC, Chicago, and SF. Try again.
What I'm pointing out is that when you have people like Bloomberg and Emanuel individually violating double-digit millions of individuals' constitutional rights on their whims, you don't have a free society.
Whether it's RKBA this month or the right to peaceably assemble during a political convention in an election year, they get to pick and choose which rights you are allowed, with no repercussions.
That's tyranny.
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#17I hope AP switches to encrypted VOIP after this. Along with everyone else.
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#18I expect that will change the tone of coverage of news stories on surveillance issues.
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#19Second amendment's been gone for a while. Fifth and fourteenth haven't been seen in a minute, either. Peaceable assembly's overrated anyway. (RNC '04) How much of the first needs to be gone until it's enough to recognize that the USA is no longer a free society? How many whistleblowers, security researchers, and cryptographers need to be thrown in prison on bullshit trumped-up charges? How many hunger-striking politi…
If people emigrated when the government was literally killing striking union organizers (e.g. the "Wobblies"), holding Nisei captive, holding blacks in bondage, locking up political dissidents (e.g. Lincoln), infecting the poor with syphilis, or ruining the lives of countless suspected Communists with the full authority of the state...
just imagine how far worse off we'd be.
Leaving is always your choice, but the U.S. would still have the power, just with less moderating influences such as yourself to ensure that it's used with a conscience.
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#20This is so strange! When was a last time AP released anything that wasn't more than government PR. On many important issues like lead up to Iraq war and now to a potential Iran war, AP has just reported what's been expected of them. My thought is the wiretap was set to catch potential whistleblowers than to do anything with reporters or AP itself.
Correct. The government probably figured, they don't need a subpoena, because they already manage the AP so closely. You aren't hearing any serious dissent from the AP. That said, we have to be vigilant about any overreach, as civil rights are too hard to get back once you give them up.
As far as I can tell this was done via subpoena (but it's uncertain under whose authority the subpoena was issued, it may not have been a judge or grand jury).
Had there not been a subpoena the U.S. would likely not have informed the AP of the search at all.