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Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by bkor »

jjs wrote: post #49
bkor wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I totally agree that just a "No." is bad, entirely understand what it resulted in. However, going after a developer in a bugreport is not tolerable behaviour as well.

> FWIW, I totally agree that just a "No." is bad, entirely understand what it resulted in. However, going after a developer in a bugreport is not tolerable behaviour as well. So why did you go after him? (I realize that by "a developer" you meant yourself, not Felipe. I still consider this a fair question.)

I meant Christian Perch, the other story about GNOME Bugzilla. I'm not a developer. I didn't go after Felipe.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by felipec »

threeseed wrote: post #23

This was in September 2011. Are you really holding a grudge for this long ? My suggestion would be to forget about this and move on. No offense to anyone but GNOME is just dreadful and there are so many other Linux/FOSS projects that desperately need people. Help them out instead.

I don't really care, it's their loss. I'm just bringing this up because of the other post about the other ban.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by bkor »

RestoreGnome wrote: post #35

Does anyone personally know people in Red Hat's management or the GNOME foundation's board of directors? If so, it would be a good idea to engage them and convince them to fix the problem. Red Hat has the authority to fire the many GNOME developers they employ, and the GNOME Foundation owns the trademark and can thus ultimately remove commit rights and Bugzilla admin rights from the problematic developers. It's clear…

Red Hat doesn't run GNOME, though lately they've been hiring people for GNOME like crazy. The last time some GNOME contributor disagreed with one of my decisions, I make him a GNOME bugzilla admin. Any of the 4 admins are totally free to unban someone. If GNOME foundation board says someone should be unbanned it will be done as well.

I find it rather telling that instead of an unban or review, you're suggesting to completely remove me. Like everything I do is bad. Right...

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by bkor »

seanc722 wrote: post #45
bkor wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/Olaf/Olav/g Pretty easy: "please stop". Person does not. Then ok, bye from me. And yeah, I'm the one you're talking about. And Felipe got banned by one of his best friends on Google+. Apparently really good friend in reality, terrible on Internet. Enough said IMO.

Based on your comments here and there you sound like the one with the attitude problem. But eh this internet drama is quite a good read.

I never said I'm not a bastard (at times).

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by ralfn »

bkor wrote: post #67
ralfn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interaction escalated, but you were as much to blame for that as well. The problem is the ban hammer. An independent judge would either ban you both or neither. This is supposed to be a profesionally run project, not scriptkiddies in dome irc chatroom acting tough. And i second the other remark. You wouldnt dare behave like this in public. Trying to get somebody removed from a conference for an opinion you do not…

> This is supposed to be a profesionally run project, not scriptkiddies in dome irc chatroom acting tough. You're suggesting how I should behave, while calling me a scriptkiddie? Wtf? The rest of your post is much of the same.

Come on. Is your exchange, that resulted in a ban, not very typical for an IRC?

I get that you feel insulted. You should. And you can call me names if you want to. But on bugzilla you are representing a project, an organisation and a mission statement.

Yet you used the ban hammer as a personal dislike button. You do not see the difference? You do not see the comparison to immature irc behavior vs being professional?

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by bkor »

sgift wrote: post #29
jre wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, they should both have taken your advice. Felipe made is point in hist first post, refuting the arguments that needed to be. The following posts (by both Olav and Felipe) are just noise. The whole thread turns into a silly "I want the last word" dispute.

Yes, I didn't want to imply that Felipe is without fault here, but a ban is a real drastic measure, which should stay reserved for situations where there's no other way. And even then I stand by my assertion: Never ban in an emotionally charged situation. Taking a break and handling the situation later will almost always give better results. (Just in case anyone wonders: I was - as far as I know - never on the receiv…

A ban is not drastic at all. GNOME Bugzilla is for bugreports. There is no freedom of speech. If someone mostly contributes noise, does not want to listen, he's asked multiple times to please change his attitude, still continues, then the person will get banned.

Felipe is suggesting in some other comment that this should all be per conversation method. E.g. warn him very clearly on this topic in GNOME Bugzilla separately from private email, mailing lists as well as Google+. Wrong expectation to have.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by jjs »

bkor wrote: post #71
jjs wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FWIW, I totally agree that just a "No." is bad, entirely understand what it resulted in. However, going after a developer in a bugreport is not tolerable behaviour as well. So why did you go after him? (I realize that by "a developer" you meant yourself, not Felipe. I still consider this a fair question.)

I meant Christian Perch, the other story about GNOME Bugzilla. I'm not a developer. I didn't go after Felipe.

Ah, ok. I somehow got the impression from your comments that you were the Olav mentioned in the blog post.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by onli »

bkor wrote: post #67
ralfn wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interaction escalated, but you were as much to blame for that as well. The problem is the ban hammer. An independent judge would either ban you both or neither. This is supposed to be a profesionally run project, not scriptkiddies in dome irc chatroom acting tough. And i second the other remark. You wouldnt dare behave like this in public. Trying to get somebody removed from a conference for an opinion you do not…

> This is supposed to be a profesionally run project, not scriptkiddies in dome irc chatroom acting tough. You're suggesting how I should behave, while calling me a scriptkiddie? Wtf? The rest of your post is much of the same.

Nice way to prove a (ralfns) point.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by jcape »

jjs wrote: post #54
jcape wrote: post #11

@filipec: Dude, that was two years ago. You're still on about that?

It reveals the culture behind the infamous "No.", so it's topical. (And presumably the ban is still in effect.)

FC seemingly goes out of his way to act like an ass, and he got himself banned from a bug reporting tool for it. According to another link in these comments, he was also banned from pidgin's IRC channel, and a friend of mine banned him from his G+ feeds.

FC getting banned from GNOME's bugzilla isn't a GNOME thing, it's an FC thing.

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