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Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by seanc722 »

merlish wrote: post #15

Felipe, I'm completely unsurprised you got banned. This post is just continuation of the behaviour you can't see. People are human. It doesn't matter if you're technically in the right, or that you think things should be some way - if you piss people off, they are going to tell you to stop pissing them off and then eventually they will do something rash. In this post you just drag out the dirty laundry again and go t…

IMO if you are in charge of handling users in a community you shouldn't be taking down people due to ifference of opinion of even people you just don't like... If it is your own personal project, sure, but otherwise it should take something more then a few heated words (which personally I didn't find heated at all..) to be banned from something. Reading the post I felt that the admin was acting more childish.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by sergiosgc »

merlish wrote: post #15

Felipe, I'm completely unsurprised you got banned. This post is just continuation of the behaviour you can't see. People are human. It doesn't matter if you're technically in the right, or that you think things should be some way - if you piss people off, they are going to tell you to stop pissing them off and then eventually they will do something rash. In this post you just drag out the dirty laundry again and go t…

Felipe is obviously an aggressive dude. However, the only difference between him and whoever banned him and all those that refuse to even read his defence is the access to ban mechanisms.

All through the discussion, no participant managed to steer the discussion onto productive grounds. Heated arguments are important to produce good results. It comes a time, in any of these arguments, that the discussion must stop being divergent and start being convergent towards a goal. This step never happened.

If heated arguments never get resolved in the Gnome community, Gnome has a big, big problem. Worse, it will go unnoticed by those in the community because they are filtering out dissonant voices.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by seanc722 »

jasonlotito wrote: post #40
brazzy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was talking constructively, up until the point where the admin go pissy in a way that made it impossible to be constructive.

He wasn't. He was acting the part of a self-entitle, self-centered know-it-all. Hell, if he held himself to his own standards, he'd have called himself out for being a hypocritical liar.

Supporting having user's feedback in a project is self-centered?

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by seanc722 »

bkor wrote: post #5
cyphax wrote: post #4

Playing the devil's advocate in a way: I'm not surprised that he got the ban. After Olav wanted to stop polluting the topic with this meta discussion about "tone" and "speculation", Felipe kept going on anyway, about how complaining about "tone" is unsophisticated (which is actually getting personal). It made him come off as wanting the last word, and that, I think, made them trigger the ban. Of course, whether or no…

s/Olaf/Olav/g Pretty easy: "please stop". Person does not. Then ok, bye from me. And yeah, I'm the one you're talking about. And Felipe got banned by one of his best friends on Google+. Apparently really good friend in reality, terrible on Internet. Enough said IMO.

Based on your comments here and there you sound like the one with the attitude problem. But eh this internet drama is quite a good read.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by DanBC »

alcuadrado wrote: post #30
DanBC wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a problem with developer communication. It's an unsolved problem. There's probably some interesting research to be done about it. You have people who don't have English as a first language talking to people. You have people with varying levels of interpersonal skills - some pretty poor. For example, people with Asperger's can be pretty blunt when talking to others. And they don't always have best modern help…

I don't get what you mean with "The fact the world runs on so much open source software really is remarkable". Could you clarify? I also think that big part of the problem with developer communication comes from the fact that many/most of us taught ourselves how to code when young. That gives you a very high self-pride, as you were doing complicated stuff while your friends were watching DBZ. If you are lucky enough…

> I don't get what you mean with "The fact the world runs on so much open source software really is remarkable". Could you clarify?

Some online environments are hateful, toxic, places that contribute to burn out and developer churn.

Yet these same places manage to turn out excellent software.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by tspiteri »

I really dislike this kind of flame. The author got banned over a year ago, and now, because of the recent threads on the "No." in the gnome-terminal bug, the author tries to fan the fire by bringing this up. Then, he posts his blog post on HN using the third person: "Another user/developer banned ..." If you are going to post your own blog post (nothing wrong with that usually), don't make the title look like someone else talking about you.

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by jjs »

andridk wrote: post #6

It's hard to tell if GNOME developers are defensive because they are under attack or if they are under attack because they are defensive. Bottom line: These people, weather they are arrogant, impolite or unsympathetic to users does not refute the fact that they are giving their time to the project. GNOME has been under fire since the famous GNOME 3 release and I would understand the remaining developers to be a littl…

> Bottom line: These people, [whether] they are arrogant, impolite or unsympathetic to users does not refute the fact that they are giving their time to the project.

> GNOME has been under fire since the famous GNOME 3 release and I would understand the remaining developers to be a little touchy on the matter. At some point, you either stop - or you decide: Fuck this - I will just ignore user-input, because it sucks.

To put it bluntly: if they've given up on making what users want, what's so special about their giving their time to the project?

Why should anyone care, other than for fear that the developers will continue to make things even worse?

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by jjs »

bkor wrote: post #12
andridk wrote: post #6

It's hard to tell if GNOME developers are defensive because they are under attack or if they are under attack because they are defensive. Bottom line: These people, weather they are arrogant, impolite or unsympathetic to users does not refute the fact that they are giving their time to the project. GNOME has been under fire since the famous GNOME 3 release and I would understand the remaining developers to be a littl…

FWIW, I totally agree that just a "No." is bad, entirely understand what it resulted in. However, going after a developer in a bugreport is not tolerable behaviour as well.

> FWIW, I totally agree that just a "No." is bad, entirely understand what it resulted in. However, going after a developer in a bugreport is not tolerable behaviour as well.

So why did you go after him?

(I realize that by "a developer" you meant yourself, not Felipe. I still consider this a fair question.)

Re: Another user/developer banned from GNOME's bugzilla without any warning

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Post by jasonlotito »

seanc722 wrote: post #44
jasonlotito wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He wasn't. He was acting the part of a self-entitle, self-centered know-it-all. Hell, if he held himself to his own standards, he'd have called himself out for being a hypocritical liar.

Supporting having user's feedback in a project is self-centered?

Not at all, and I didn't even remotely suggest as such. Supporting having user's feedback is an idea. Acting self-centered is the way you act, your attitude. One has nothing to do with the other.
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