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Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by michaelfeathers »

tqi wrote: post #88
michaelfeathers wrote: post #14

The worst case of this I've seen recently as an offer of free wifi at an airport after you.. .. download their app which gives you push notifications about hotels.

I agree that is annoying, but access to their wifi network is not an inalienable right, nor is it free for them to maintain. I don't see the problem with them trying to make money off of it via an app + ads... plus you always have the option of not using it?

They definitely have a right to do it, but there are less offensive ways of making money.

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Post by yareally »

kyllo wrote: post #163
michaelfeathers wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? There's a prudish streak in the US that I really believe comes from the fact that the country was originally settled by people too religious and too concerned with overtly moral social interaction to be tolerated in 17th century England. That may seem like too easy an explanation but I really do think there is some truth to it…

I think that in America today, it's less a religious thing and more of a social status thing. Saying "fuck" and "shit" a lot is a social signal that you are low-class and probably not college-educated. "Swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary" is a phrase I heard a lot growing up.

That is how I always thought of it. Not being able to express one's self without copious amounts of explicit language thrown in just lessens any point the speaker was trying to make 99/100 times. We all have pet peeves that can turn us off of listening or reading a point of view, but for many, uncouth language for the lack of better adjectives/verbs/nouns is one of the most common.

Don't have a problem with cursing used in moderation when used appropriately, but like any ingredient in a recipe, too much is a bad thing.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by sghill »

edent wrote: post #90
sghill wrote: post #65

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> This guys is totally free to make his points colourfully and passionately however he wants to. I agree. He's created a very good and useful showcase of a specific frustration that many of us would prefer to never implement or deal with. For an exercise in venting, this style makes a lot of sense. > His word choices are not hate speech or discriminatory so the fact that they may offend your sensibilities has precise…

If I can find a way to add Creative Commons tags to each image, would that help? If not, please take this as permission to copy those images and make your own non-sweary version.

That'd be great! If it's possible to throw something on the footer of the page, that would also be useful to people who don't happen to find it through HN.

Nice work in collecting all of these. They make for a great showcase.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by sghill »

antoko wrote: post #82
sghill wrote: post #65

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> This guys is totally free to make his points colourfully and passionately however he wants to. I agree. He's created a very good and useful showcase of a specific frustration that many of us would prefer to never implement or deal with. For an exercise in venting, this style makes a lot of sense. > His word choices are not hate speech or discriminatory so the fact that they may offend your sensibilities has precise…

That's interesting, I'd have no problem linking this to my boss or PM if they were trying to convince us to implement something that resembled a doorslam. I'd probably include some reference to the fact that the language is colorful in the email and suggest this is the kind of passion that the proposed doorslam will raise in our own customers. I'm a brit living in the US so add that as a datapoint too! It doesn't eve…

> It doesn't even register on my offensive scale

Does it have to? In my experience, taking into consideration how the message receiver might be offended is more important. I'm not personally offended by the language of the tumblr, but I still wouldn't bring it into a business setting because of how others may feel.

> did we have this same hand-wringing over zed shaw's programming motherfucker website?

To me, the target audience of this site is far different. Some of the same rules apply, but Zed Shaw's site is unlikely to be the basis of an argument for or against any sort of business-level decision. With that being said, I probably wouldn't point an aspiring programmer (or anyone) toward Zed's site unless I knew they were very casual with profanity.

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Post by lotharbot »

qu4z-2 wrote: post #254
lotharbot wrote: post #207

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> " Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing." Consider the term "f-bomb". The reason the term exists is because it's evocative: a bomb produces a "sudden and violent release of energy", typically intended to destroy a target or to draw attention, often producing a sentiment of "shock and awe". The word "fuck" can intensify a destructive sentiment, or draw attention and produce shock. It carri…

I've always thought of the term "f-bomb" as being the domain of mothers and housewives who are uncomfortable saying fuck. Am I wrong? Is it more common in America? Also to me it always seemed less descriptive and more an attempt to link the concept of bombs (which we can probably all agree are bad) with the word. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

The HN discussion linked from my previous post includes a fairly extended set of comments on this exact issue.

My read is that "f-bomb" (and other -bomb terms) can be merely a case of being uncomfortable with swearing, but it is also used by people of various demographics to describe the conversational effects. I hope my use of terms like "f-grenade", "f-pepper" (which came from the previous article), and "f-spam" are likewise evocative.

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Post by charleslmunger »

dredmorbius wrote: post #249
shurcooL wrote: post #4

I agree. In most cases, mobile apps are just fancy website bookmarks with a few more advanced abilities (native code, more hardware access, permanent local storage)... Except you have to download the app, organize it within all your other apps, download updates, delete it when you no longer use it, make sure its settings are in order, etc. Imagine you had to download an app on your desktop computer before you were ab…

Except that they also break bookmarks, deep linking, and the ability to share content other than how the app itself dictates. Most "shares" are _still_ links copied in emails if I'm remembering apocrypha correctly.

A properly written android app avoids most of these issues, most notably deep linking.

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Post by dredmorbius »

charleslmunger wrote: post #266
dredmorbius wrote: post #249

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Except that they also break bookmarks, deep linking, and the ability to share content other than how the app itself dictates. Most "shares" are _still_ links copied in emails if I'm remembering apocrypha correctly.

A properly written android app avoids most of these issues, most notably deep linking.

A website guarantees the features noted.

Few apps are properly written, and all require me to look extensively at permissions.

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Post by tomjen3 »

d23 wrote: post #222
tomjen3 wrote: post #180

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I don't think marketroids care about reality based things like data -- the good ones does, but not the kind that is employed by the daily mail. The daily mail is actually better because they _explicitly_ wrote "you wont see this again for 7 days", which is insane, since if I didn't want it the first time I don't want it the second time. As for quora, well they are run by people who wants to make the world a worse pla…

> As for quora, well they are run by people who wants to make the world a worse place to be, so no surprise there. I actually quite like Quora. Any particular reason for the hate?

They attempt to break the web by app-walling user supplied content.

Imagine having to register and install a special program for each website in the world -- the WWW was made to make it possible for everybody to read it.

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Post by qu4z-2 »

lotharbot wrote: post #265
qu4z-2 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always thought of the term "f-bomb" as being the domain of mothers and housewives who are uncomfortable saying fuck. Am I wrong? Is it more common in America? Also to me it always seemed less descriptive and more an attempt to link the concept of bombs (which we can probably all agree are bad) with the word. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

The HN discussion linked from my previous post includes a fairly extended set of comments on this exact issue. My read is that "f-bomb" (and other -bomb terms) can be merely a case of being uncomfortable with swearing, but it is also used by people of various demographics to describe the conversational effects. I hope my use of terms like "f-grenade", "f-pepper" (which came from the previous article), and "f-spam" ar…

Fair enough. I've amended my impression. :)
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