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Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by dubcanada » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:02 PM UTC

snprbob86 wrote: post #54

edent wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm the creator of the site) I've noticed - and I may be wrong - that all the folk in the UK are unfazed by the swearing and have reacted quite positively either in person or on Twitter. The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? Either way, I do wonder if some sections of the tech community are to... corporate in their approach to language. Look at the fuss when Linu…

There is a difference between corporate and mature. Your article sounds like a kid who just discovered swearing. It lowers the information density of your post and distracts from your message. Furthermore, it reduces your credibility and hurts your persuasive writing goal. Lastly, it makes you sound like a fucking idiot.

What do you know, you're American.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by michaelfeathers » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:02 PM UTC

edent wrote: post #31

Wintamute wrote: post #23

How about we drop the prudishness, and discuss the points raised by the article? Seriously, what's with all the language moralising? This guys is totally free to make his points colourfully and passionately however he wants to. If it upsets you so much (it really shouldn't) then don't read it. His word choices are not hate speech or discriminatory so the fact that they may offend your sensibilities has precisely zero…

(I'm the creator of the site) I've noticed - and I may be wrong - that all the folk in the UK are unfazed by the swearing and have reacted quite positively either in person or on Twitter. The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? Either way, I do wonder if some sections of the tech community are to... corporate in their approach to language. Look at the fuss when Linu…

The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is?

There's a prudish streak in the US that I really believe comes from the fact that the country was originally settled by people too religious and too concerned with overtly moral social interaction to be tolerated in 17th century England.

That may seem like too easy an explanation but I really do think there is some truth to it. Despite the excesses in American culture, that sort of casual swearing still gets backlash when it goes beyond people who are familiar with each other.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by revelation » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:03 PM UTC

apunic wrote: post #30

I am very surprised that so many people are not complaining about Mobile Safari's missing automatic word wrap feature. This is the number one reason why people want to use apps for anything (because their mobile browser is just broken). With word wrap like you get on Android's browsers most traditional desktop websites are totally sufficient on mobile devices, there's even no need for a mobile web version (HN is the…

People are also not complaining about Apples implementation of Retina, whereas they just double pixels, instead of properly interpolating. They then go around and complain your website looks crap on Retina.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by dubcanada » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:04 PM UTC

edent wrote: post #31

Wintamute wrote: post #23

How about we drop the prudishness, and discuss the points raised by the article? Seriously, what's with all the language moralising? This guys is totally free to make his points colourfully and passionately however he wants to. If it upsets you so much (it really shouldn't) then don't read it. His word choices are not hate speech or discriminatory so the fact that they may offend your sensibilities has precisely zero…

(I'm the creator of the site) I've noticed - and I may be wrong - that all the folk in the UK are unfazed by the swearing and have reacted quite positively either in person or on Twitter. The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? Either way, I do wonder if some sections of the tech community are to... corporate in their approach to language. Look at the fuss when Linu…

It's a American thing sadly. The difference in culture. Where I'm from every second word is pretty much a swear word.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by sghill » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:04 PM UTC

Wintamute wrote: post #23

How about we drop the prudishness, and discuss the points raised by the article? Seriously, what's with all the language moralising? This guys is totally free to make his points colourfully and passionately however he wants to. If it upsets you so much (it really shouldn't) then don't read it. His word choices are not hate speech or discriminatory so the fact that they may offend your sensibilities has precisely zero…

> This guys is totally free to make his points colourfully and passionately however he wants to.

I agree. He's created a very good and useful showcase of a specific frustration that many of us would prefer to never implement or deal with. For an exercise in venting, this style makes a lot of sense.

> His word choices are not hate speech or discriminatory so the fact that they may offend your sensibilities has precisely zero relevance to anything.

The language chosen to express his feelings means that I can't reference this site to anyone I work with in the enterprise world. For giving people materials in fighting against implementing these things, it collects a lot of great examples of why this is frustrating. Unfortunately, sharing it with the people who make these kinds of decisions has "career-limiting move" written all over it.

Maybe it will be (is?) licensed in a way that allows for business-friendly adaptation.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by dmd » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:05 PM UTC

laureny wrote: post #52

obviouslygreen wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I have no idea about other places (unfortunately), as an American, I find my countrymen (oh crap, should that be countrypersons?!) are indeed eye-rollingly oversensitive about profanity and political correctness in general. It ends up being a good measure of a social situation. As soon as I decide I'm around people that might be interesting, I will slowly decrease the child-friendliness of my language. The subt…

> as an American, I find my countrymen (oh crap, should that be countrypersons?!) are indeed eye-rollingly oversensitive about profanity and political correctness in general. I know it sounds trite, but it's mostly about the children. I couldn't care less about people dropping F bombs around me (although it does taint my opinion of them if it's done for no particular reason), but the less kids hear the word, the more…

> it's mostly about the children > it is not to be used lightly

See: "begging the question".

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by crimsonzagar » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:06 PM UTC

Well seems like the discussion has moved away from the central thought of the post; let me try and add some of my life into the thread.

Here is how I live today:

Web is good for me. Porn is good for me. Anonymity is good for me. Given that I have an iPad, Galaxy Note 2 and a Chinese tablet with Android on it, the total installed 'app count' of my toys is zero. Zilch.

I have said it a numerous times before, and I'd proudly say it again ... I hate all the native apps on the planet. Keep all that great, smooth and butter-y experience up your garden's ass.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by john_w_t_b » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:08 PM UTC

apunic wrote: post #30

I am very surprised that so many people are not complaining about Mobile Safari's missing automatic word wrap feature. This is the number one reason why people want to use apps for anything (because their mobile browser is just broken). With word wrap like you get on Android's browsers most traditional desktop websites are totally sufficient on mobile devices, there's even no need for a mobile web version (HN is the…

I read dozens of sites on mobile Safari that have wrapped text. There must be a solution. Example

http://m.sfgate.com/sfchron/index.htm

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by runn1ng » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:08 PM UTC

Maybe it's a "feature" of the tumblr skin, but it took me a few minutes to realize the small and almost invisible arrow to the right at the bottom leads to another page.

Make it bigger, if you can.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by reinhardt » Sun, May 12, 2013, 3:09 PM UTC

Nursie wrote: post #46

So much this. When I come to your site it is very unlikely I'm looking for any sort of long term relationship. What I want is access to the information I'm looking for as quickly and painlessly as possible. Secondly, your app probably wants various permissions on my system. No. Third, why the hell would I want hundreds of apps grunking up my menus? Fourth, you already have my whole screen, what more do you want? So y…

I agree with all points. What I'm wondering is, what percentage of mobile users are like me, you and almost everyone that commented here? Does the proverbial "average user" share the sentiment? My guess is no, or else the marketroids that push the app agenda would have gotten the message by now.