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Nice tear down of a planted story. Regular people were not the intended audience of this hit piece.
? I work at a firm that manufacture goods and has a few factories. Everything mentioned in the article is true, and grossly downplays the gritty reality to make for simple reading.
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The burden of proof is on you; further - I can corroborate everything about manufacturing even after woking in only a medium sized manufacturing firm. People can't be fired, and as a result few people are technically employees of a firm - they are usually employed with a labor outsourcing firm that moves people out after two years or n-1 years, where n = number of years before automatic entitlement to provident fund/…
> The burden of proof is on you; For what claims of mine? > People can't be fired Ha! I have seen people getting fired all the time! Did you mean blue-collar workers can't be fired? > I can corroborate everything ... With anecdotal evidence? > automatic entitlement to provident fund/pension plans We are entitled to that from the very first day of employment, if the company has more than a certain number of employees.…
Words, words, and more empty words! > But the likes of Bharat Forge and Mahindra & Mahindra prefer to employ sophisticated machinery rather than abundant labour. Surely, it employs labour. Why does the author claim that machines are preferred over labour? What does he compare it with? Where are the numbers? > At the other end of the spectrum are innumerable tinpot workshops, employing handfuls of people and outdated…
The burden of proof is on you; further - I can corroborate everything about manufacturing even after woking in only a medium sized manufacturing firm. People can't be fired, and as a result few people are technically employees of a firm - they are usually employed with a labor outsourcing firm that moves people out after two years or n-1 years, where n = number of years before automatic entitlement to provident fund/…
The problem with any write up generalizing personal experience up to "India scale" is the same problem we see with "big data". When there is much more information than any single person can actually digest, what ends up happening is people just spot the patterns they are already familiar with...and that is what your post represents.
As a US-raised Indian I'm not familiar with the macro details. But I've been living in India for the past few years working for a startup, so let me identify some low-hanging fruit. 1) Incredibly, shockingly poor hygiene. Dirty black rags being used repeatedly to dry plates at restaurants. Idlys being cooked on plastic sheets inside hot streamers. Infernoes of uncollected trash burning on streets. Rats and cockroache…
Product Development in short is: Idea --> CAD File -- Prototype
It appears, that most of the prototyping firms, do not pick up from in the middle, i.e, If I had a Idea, no firm was ready to produce a CAD file. Even China based prototyping companies only take CAD files, and do not help you, with the CAD generation.
Meaning, if you don't undergo, a extensive training in software like Solidworks or AutoCAD which is both expensive and time consuming, or not find a engineer already well trained in them, you have no scope of converting your idea into a reality.
This is a bottle neck for entrepreneurs in India.
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? I work at a firm that manufacture goods and has a few factories. Everything mentioned in the article is true, and grossly downplays the gritty reality to make for simple reading.
I have the impression life is gritty in all sectors of the Indian economy, so why the hit piece on manufacturing right before elections in India?
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The burden of proof is on you; further - I can corroborate everything about manufacturing even after woking in only a medium sized manufacturing firm. People can't be fired, and as a result few people are technically employees of a firm - they are usually employed with a labor outsourcing firm that moves people out after two years or n-1 years, where n = number of years before automatic entitlement to provident fund/…
> The burden of proof is on you; For what claims of mine? > People can't be fired Ha! I have seen people getting fired all the time! Did you mean blue-collar workers can't be fired? > I can corroborate everything ... With anecdotal evidence? > automatic entitlement to provident fund/pension plans We are entitled to that from the very first day of employment, if the company has more than a certain number of employees.…
On top of that if you get fired after two years, you haven't worked long enough to be counted as an employee of the labor form or as a de facto employee of Mahindra. Hence no PF for you.
This is the scam people are forced to use as common place because of higher and fire laws heavily favouring labor.
Edit: I must add that firms also,actively try to screw labor over. I used the word forced because I was referring to a firm which did not have malicious intent.
As for searching, try Wikipedia. It will get you to the labor laws in question and from there the laws of the land.
Further the issue with anecdote is when they are extrapolated too far from a single incident.
But I am regurgitating the experience of multiple different individuals who have worked in many different firms.
This is the basis upon which the firms expansion plans are made.
Also, after the murder of the manager at the maruti plant, there's is yet another distinct urge to remove labor from the equation and avoid situations where your managers can be killed.
Heck - Labor management firms exist, and are used in every industry in India. You can see references to them in multiple news articles when the issue of labor is discussed.
The level of disintermediation required that makes outsourcing labor viable as a business model is in itself a red flag.
Further this is what HR managers and consultants take for granted - they are the ones who named firms which use interns as cheap throwaway labor, and a plethora of,other practices that horrified me but were treated as commonplace and business-as-usual.
If you haven't seen as absenteeism for festivals and so on, I must ask where your factories are located.
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The burden of proof is on you; further - I can corroborate everything about manufacturing even after woking in only a medium sized manufacturing firm. People can't be fired, and as a result few people are technically employees of a firm - they are usually employed with a labor outsourcing firm that moves people out after two years or n-1 years, where n = number of years before automatic entitlement to provident fund/…
India is a massive country and all the numbers you look at are huge. The problem with big numbers is they hide many many many little numbers. So what happens in the north east resembles nothing in the south west, what happens in some cities resembles nothing in other cities etc. Yet we have these meaningless pan India number, sort of like measuring the temperature of the universe and getting exited by that number. Th…
This is constant through out the nation due to the current stage of political evolution.
Also my background completely fails at preparing me for my current task set, so I come to this with few a neutral slate. I have no urge to see patterns, if anything I'm pro labor and what I saw left me somewhat disappointed.
I did a research a while back. For an entrepreneur, there are only two things he can make broadly, products and services. While services is a another thing, new products depend on a major workforce of prototyping industry. Product Development in short is: Idea --> CAD File -- Prototype It appears, that most of the prototyping firms, do not pick up from in the middle, i.e, If I had a Idea, no firm was ready to produce…
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As usual when someone posts an Economist leader article, someone is indignant that it is a little thin. The actual briefing article, at a couple of thousand words longer, is still journalism rather than a scholarly paper, i.e. it doesn't cite every fact, but it does state the numbers behind its assertions.
I don't know what actual article you are referring to, other than the one at the link posted. > but it does state the numbers behind its assertions. I mentioned the lack of some specific numbers for some specific assertions. Can you direct me to where they have covered that? > ... is still journalism ... If I were interested in labels, I'd call it yellow journalism.
I do: http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21577373-india-will-s...