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Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by jahewson »

michaelfeathers wrote: post #62
edent wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm the creator of the site) I've noticed - and I may be wrong - that all the folk in the UK are unfazed by the swearing and have reacted quite positively either in person or on Twitter. The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? Either way, I do wonder if some sections of the tech community are to... corporate in their approach to language. Look at the fuss when Linu…

The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? There's a prudish streak in the US that I really believe comes from the fact that the country was originally settled by people too religious and too concerned with overtly moral social interaction to be tolerated in 17th century England. That may seem like too easy an explanation but I really do think there is some truth to it…

I suspect that this is the case too. They also get married younger and more often than the British, for the same reason.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by regis »

jabits wrote: post #107
Wintamute wrote: post #23

How about we drop the prudishness, and discuss the points raised by the article? Seriously, what's with all the language moralising? This guys is totally free to make his points colourfully and passionately however he wants to. If it upsets you so much (it really shouldn't) then don't read it. His word choices are not hate speech or discriminatory so the fact that they may offend your sensibilities has precisely zero…

It's simply low-class and adds nothing. Extra words from an author that cannot make a point without pointless, useless, extraneous, immaterial, unrelated, redundant extra words.

Wow, I think this is much more offensive than someone saying 'fuck'

Just because you choose not to do something does not mean that people who do that thing are lower than you.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by kyllo »

michaelfeathers wrote: post #62
edent wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm the creator of the site) I've noticed - and I may be wrong - that all the folk in the UK are unfazed by the swearing and have reacted quite positively either in person or on Twitter. The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? Either way, I do wonder if some sections of the tech community are to... corporate in their approach to language. Look at the fuss when Linu…

The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? There's a prudish streak in the US that I really believe comes from the fact that the country was originally settled by people too religious and too concerned with overtly moral social interaction to be tolerated in 17th century England. That may seem like too easy an explanation but I really do think there is some truth to it…

I think that in America today, it's less a religious thing and more of a social status thing. Saying "fuck" and "shit" a lot is a social signal that you are low-class and probably not college-educated. "Swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary" is a phrase I heard a lot growing up.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by jahewson »

syllogism wrote: post #71
michaelfeathers wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? There's a prudish streak in the US that I really believe comes from the fact that the country was originally settled by people too religious and too concerned with overtly moral social interaction to be tolerated in 17th century England. That may seem like too easy an explanation but I really do think there is some truth to it…

At any rate, the English speaking country founded by convicts certainly swears quite a lot.

Indeed. I recently encountered the phrase "pardon my Australian" from one such inhabitant.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by doorhammer »

Wintamute wrote: post #23

How about we drop the prudishness, and discuss the points raised by the article? Seriously, what's with all the language moralising? This guys is totally free to make his points colourfully and passionately however he wants to. If it upsets you so much (it really shouldn't) then don't read it. His word choices are not hate speech or discriminatory so the fact that they may offend your sensibilities has precisely zero…

My perception of any kind of language is a matter of pragmatism and presentation. I don't ascribe any particular ethical or moral value to the words themselves, or how I Say them. To me, it comes down to what your goal is, what the context is, and how it impacts other people.

As far as goals go, I'll use whatever language I think will get the point across that I'm trying to make. Sometimes it's nice that there are words that I can reserve as "I'm really crossing a social line here to demonstrate irritation."

That said, I generally avoid making people uncomfortable or offending them for no reason. For instance, I don't think there's anything inherently unethical about cussing around someone that thinks cussing is immoral, but I'll generally avoid it if there's not really some strategic use to the language. It saves them a little discomfort (however unjustified someone might think the discomfort is) and it can save me a little big of grief if they're really adamant about it.

I follow the same road with how grammatically correct I try to be, or how politically correct I try to be. It's ethically N/A to me, so it's more useful strategically. I do the same thing with clothing/fashion, pictures I post on social media, etc. There's no use for me to self-righteously defending myself if I do something I don't really care about when know will be poorly received. Could just be a lazy path-of-least-resistance thing, though.

I will say, that if it's within my design and goal (and this website seems squarely within the authors intent), I'm not going to lose any sleep over someone finding my website and being offended by my language. I might do my best to be considerate in public, or where it makes sense for me, but if we're hanging out somewhere semi-private or you're on my website and act pissy about the presentation or language, well, no one made you read it, and I'll just as happily ignore you.

Oh yeah. Also. I hate app requests. Make a slick mobile website and leave me alone pls tx.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by pullo »

wnight wrote: post #144
pullo wrote: post #98

Reading through the comments I am glad I am not the only one who finds over the top profanity upsetting. Yes , the author is free to make his/her point any way they want to. and No, not everyone who thinks that this profanity is undue is a prude. and I dont think it is fair to make a culture or age characterization based on a user's response. Extreme or sometimes, any profanity changes the tone of the article. that a…

Considering you're brushing off everything he said and trotting out tired justifications nobody asked for maybe you're just using any excuse - the profanity will do - to justify ignoring him. Besides, those good reasons aren't. a) You spent good money, but did you make it a good experience for the user? b) But usually the app is trash compared to a web browser, and offers a far worse experience. c) Retaining user eng…

Wow, the hostility!

"trotting out tired justifications nobody asked for maybe you're just using any excuse"

I never asked you to respond to my comment, but you still did! I am part of the discussion , the same way you are. and to take a step back and think why things are the way they are, IMO is very good thing. billions of app downloads happen for a reason. I was not justifying the the practice. in fact i did say "I personally think, having a small, disappearing toolbar to remind the user an app is available is the best way to go"

there are enough apps to draw an example for every case discussed (good mobile app, bad thick client vice versa..)

a) linked in does b)fb, the app is way better than the mobile website c) I agreed with this. "yes, it can be extremely annoying at times when companies prompt you to download their app" d) this is jsut hyperbole and i have nothing to say to this.

I agreed with the poster too. I had trouble with his tone like many others. with app downloads not slowing down, it is important to understand why things are the way they are. this might also help to predict the winning strategy.

and it is not just big firms that prefer an app over a website. piggy backing on my previous example, a search for stocks brings up an entirely different list of services in the apple App Store than google. the mechanisms in play are different when it comes to mobile apps. As a coder, i prefer rich mobile websites to app's whenever possible. But, I am unsure about the trend ( as it seems many business are..) and that is a discussion I look forward to have.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by mtts »

jusben1369 wrote: post #113
edent wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm the creator of the site) I've noticed - and I may be wrong - that all the folk in the UK are unfazed by the swearing and have reacted quite positively either in person or on Twitter. The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? Either way, I do wonder if some sections of the tech community are to... corporate in their approach to language. Look at the fuss when Linu…

There's also a "laziness" factor whereby dropping F bombs left and right starts to feel like a cop out vs thinking of some cleverer ways to articulate feigned outrage.

It's this reason, more than any other, that's brought me to clean up my language as I've gotten older. Calling someone a motherf* is easy. Being able to point out their promiscuity would make an 18th century French libertine blush, now that takes, if not skill, at least the effort of reading some 18th century French libertine literature.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by shocks »

rdale wrote: post #44
brudgers wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The profanity is expressing the author's frustration and driving home the ubiquity of app pushing. It's not supposed to be funny. The repetition is made more striking by the formulaic use of "fucking" and its dispersion. "I fucking don't fucking want your fucking app," would be gratuitous, but wouldn't work as well. What makes the article weaker is that the author goes off topic and criticizes the institutions over u…

Thank you for explaining the jokes to us.

You're one of the luck few of us that actually understand the joke. There is a very large portion of people in this thread that do not understand the swearing and are simply 'offended' by fuck all and are throwing their toys out of the pram because of a few fucking words.

Simply put, in this instance it is acceptable to explain the joke because a large percentage of people are pathetic fuckwads.

Re: I Don't Want Your Fucking App

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Post by pacomerh »

jonahx wrote: post #156
michaelfeathers wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Americans, by contrast, seem a lot more upset about the swearing. I wonder why that is? There's a prudish streak in the US that I really believe comes from the fact that the country was originally settled by people too religious and too concerned with overtly moral social interaction to be tolerated in 17th century England. That may seem like too easy an explanation but I really do think there is some truth to it…

You know what, why don't you go eat some tea and crumpets while daintily extending your pinky finger. I'm gonna go cuss out some Brits while I drink whiskey and smoke a Marlboro.

Drinking tea certainly sounds more appealing to me.
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