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Post by twistedpair »

aghast wrote: post #32
twistedpair wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived in Germany (Muenster) for 4 months, I noticed they have many such laws Americans would be aghast at. For example: blue laws that enforce family friendly working hours for stores (i.e. 9-6), laws that keep your employer from snooping on you, a two year required warranty on consumer electronics. It comes down to how you want to live your life. While Zuck bombastically preaches that "privacy is dead" and th…

I don't think you know what "aghast" means.

Perhaps "aghast" was overblown.

My point was that we're capitalists. Government should only intervene to prevent others from harming me or my property as the base understanding of the word.

Who is the government to tell me the hours I can operate my business, the restrictions I can enforce on my employees, what I can coerce people into buying, or how others can exploit my likeness? They might all seem like sensible restrictions in Europe, but I've known a good many Americans who want to retain that freedom, even if it leaves our life expediencies behind the third world at the end of the day.

Finally, I threw in the authoritarianism regime reference as an example of the extremes that society can find itself in. Germany, as a wealthy, highly educated country has made the decision that they want to live well in many ways at the cost of some "freedoms" that we defend. While we're "free," I must admit that I passed twelve homeless people today on the way to work while I never saw a one my entire stent in Germany.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, but it is a different way of thinking that you must consider before you blast their Bild law.

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Post by terolacu »

jonknee wrote: post #29
praptak wrote: post #22

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Nope, as long as you don't publish it.

How does the media work if you can't take photos/video of the public?

In Argentina you can take photos on public places and publish them, given that you are not obviously targeting one specific individual without his (explicit or implicit) consent. For instance, in tennis matches, the cameramen and tv program can get into trouble if they do things like zooming and making focus on a beautiful girl from the crowd. There are also other specifics, like that the person can't already be famous or a public figure, since those people have voluntarily exposed themselves. Eg: TV actors don't have this right to privacy when they are on public. If you see a famous person in the street, you can take a picture of him/her and publish it.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by anExcitedBeast »

terolacu wrote: post #8
aw3c2 wrote: post #3

Weird piece. It says things like "[punishment] would send a confusing message to Youtube uploaders everywhere, so it will be interesting to see how the German courts approach this matter." In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany. Its application does not mean much for…

> In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany I don't think that law is unusual, in Argentina we have it too, and sounds like something very basic anyone would want (though creeps don't seem to understand it, and act surprised when they realize such law exist, and start c…

How about filming police, or people activity participating in crime? And if you allow exceptions for that, who's to decide what constitutes crime and what happens to people who film perfectly legal acts that look suspicious?

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Post by jacoblyles »

twistedpair wrote: post #15
chez17 wrote: post #13

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I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I understand the "exploit them for money" part and I agree with that part of your argument. However, the "cannot just film random people and share the images" seems, to put it bluntly, insane. If you march in a parade down the street, people can take pictures and share them. There is absolutely zero expectations…

Having lived in Germany (Muenster) for 4 months, I noticed they have many such laws Americans would be aghast at. For example: blue laws that enforce family friendly working hours for stores (i.e. 9-6), laws that keep your employer from snooping on you, a two year required warranty on consumer electronics. It comes down to how you want to live your life. While Zuck bombastically preaches that "privacy is dead" and th…

When the government dictates what hours you can keep your store open, that sounds authoritarian to me.

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Post by tobiasu »

Xylakant wrote: post #21
chez17 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I understand the "exploit them for money" part and I agree with that part of your argument. However, the "cannot just film random people and share the images" seems, to put it bluntly, insane. If you march in a parade down the street, people can take pictures and share them. There is absolutely zero expectations…

> I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". True and that assertion holds as well in germany. The issue with the techno-viking video is that he is not shown as part of the parade, but specifically and personally filmed and made the center of the video. This is the point where it crosses the line from filming a public parade with the techno viking being…

Also note that public figures have fewer rights to their own image than Joe J. Random. It's fine to target a politician at a demonstration, etc.

If there is public interest in a specific person, pictures of that person can be published (within the limits what's newsworthy to the public) without their consent.

Lawsuits in this area are not uncommon, since it's hard to nail down the specifics.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by Xylakant »

anExcitedBeast wrote: post #43
terolacu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany I don't think that law is unusual, in Argentina we have it too, and sounds like something very basic anyone would want (though creeps don't seem to understand it, and act surprised when they realize such law exist, and start c…

How about filming police, or people activity participating in crime? And if you allow exceptions for that, who's to decide what constitutes crime and what happens to people who film perfectly legal acts that look suspicious?

Filming or taking pictures in itself is not a problem and perfectly legal. Go film all you want. You're just not allowed to publish those pictures. So if you see a suspicious act, take your pic, hand it to the police and let them deal with it.

You can film the police and film public figures all you want, as long as they're acting in their public capacity. You're allowed to film Angela Merkel doing her state visit, going to the beach with Barack Obama and later publish that clip. You're not allowed to film her naked in her private backyard.

The border between the two is sometimes hard to determine, so there are some lawsuits about that, but all in all it's pretty clear.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by Xylakant »

jacoblyles wrote: post #44
twistedpair wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived in Germany (Muenster) for 4 months, I noticed they have many such laws Americans would be aghast at. For example: blue laws that enforce family friendly working hours for stores (i.e. 9-6), laws that keep your employer from snooping on you, a two year required warranty on consumer electronics. It comes down to how you want to live your life. While Zuck bombastically preaches that "privacy is dead" and th…

When the government dictates what hours you can keep your store open, that sounds authoritarian to me.

There's two sides of the medal: In general, I do agree with you. However, large store chains (think walmart) have a larger lever in the power game between employer and employee, so they can force long working hours. The idea was to prevent that. The laws have been relaxed very much though - in Berlin there's 24h supermarkets and stores that open on sundays. However, in the smaller towns stores still close at 6 or 8, but it's more of a habit than a law.

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Post by twistedpair »

Xylakant wrote: post #47
jacoblyles wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the government dictates what hours you can keep your store open, that sounds authoritarian to me.

There's two sides of the medal: In general, I do agree with you. However, large store chains (think walmart) have a larger lever in the power game between employer and employee, so they can force long working hours. The idea was to prevent that. The laws have been relaxed very much though - in Berlin there's 24h supermarkets and stores that open on sundays. However, in the smaller towns stores still close at 6 or 8,…

Don't forget that Walmart tried opening their stores in Germany and then pulled out.

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Post by lurkinggrue »

markbao wrote: post #20
masklinn wrote: post #14

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> I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I'm sorry but different countries have different sets of laws, and it turns out there are whole legal systems which disagree with your overly broad assertions. Actually I'm not sorry at all, you are in serious need of a clue.

What? Parent comment is talking about what he believes as the societal expectation of privacy in his view. He doesn't say "Wow, it's ridiculous that Germany has different laws. How dare they!" Instead of talking about whether or not his view of privacy is correct, this comment thread has devolved into a "look at this clueless foreigner" match.

Germany has different laws? The nerve!

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Post by lurkinggrue »

Splendor wrote: post #26
illuminate wrote: post #24

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Chuck Norris does not leave the States because he's a hatemongering bigot who would get "the vapors" at gays being treated like human beings. I really wish his meme would die already.

Agreed. I just replace "Chuck Norris" with "Mr. T" anytime I read one of those memes. Makes more sense that way.

There are so many fools left to pity.
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