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Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by Xylakant » Fri, May 10, 2013, 2:12 PM UTC

chez17 wrote: post #13

aw3c2 wrote: post #3

Weird piece. It says things like "[punishment] would send a confusing message to Youtube uploaders everywhere, so it will be interesting to see how the German courts approach this matter." In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany. Its application does not mean much for…

I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I understand the "exploit them for money" part and I agree with that part of your argument. However, the "cannot just film random people and share the images" seems, to put it bluntly, insane. If you march in a parade down the street, people can take pictures and share them. There is absolutely zero expectations…

> I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy".

True and that assertion holds as well in germany. The issue with the techno-viking video is that he is not shown as part of the parade, but specifically and personally filmed and made the center of the video. This is the point where it crosses the line from filming a public parade with the techno viking being part to filming the techno viking as a person. The first would be completely legal, the second requires a permission of the person.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by praptak » Fri, May 10, 2013, 2:13 PM UTC

ryusage wrote: post #17

aw3c2 wrote: post #3

Weird piece. It says things like "[punishment] would send a confusing message to Youtube uploaders everywhere, so it will be interesting to see how the German courts approach this matter." In Germany there is the so called "Recht am eigenen Bild" which means you cannot just film random people and share the images or even exploit them for money. This is a law specific to Germany. Its application does not mean much for…

Very strange to me as an American. So would you actually get in legal trouble if you took a picture at a public event?

Nope, as long as you don't publish it.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by duck » Fri, May 10, 2013, 2:19 PM UTC

Xylakant wrote: post #21

chez17 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I understand the "exploit them for money" part and I agree with that part of your argument. However, the "cannot just film random people and share the images" seems, to put it bluntly, insane. If you march in a parade down the street, people can take pictures and share them. There is absolutely zero expectations…

> I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". True and that assertion holds as well in germany. The issue with the techno-viking video is that he is not shown as part of the parade, but specifically and personally filmed and made the center of the video. This is the point where it crosses the line from filming a public parade with the techno viking being…

Thanks for an actual sane response to the OP. I can understand this a lot more than "it is illegal to video parades".

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by illuminate » Fri, May 10, 2013, 2:24 PM UTC

cies wrote: post #9

Techno Viking on HN... It made my day. His guy is a legend. They say he's "The only man who could kill Chuck Norris", to me that is an understatement. I'd say "The reason Chuck Norris does not dare to visit Berlin" is more accurate.

Chuck Norris does not leave the States because he's a hatemongering bigot who would get "the vapors" at gays being treated like human beings.

I really wish his meme would die already.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by NegativeK » Fri, May 10, 2013, 2:29 PM UTC

Can anyone comment on how a model release would apply to a situation like this if it were to occur in America?

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by Splendor » Fri, May 10, 2013, 2:33 PM UTC

illuminate wrote: post #24

cies wrote: post #9

Techno Viking on HN... It made my day. His guy is a legend. They say he's "The only man who could kill Chuck Norris", to me that is an understatement. I'd say "The reason Chuck Norris does not dare to visit Berlin" is more accurate.

Chuck Norris does not leave the States because he's a hatemongering bigot who would get "the vapors" at gays being treated like human beings. I really wish his meme would die already.

Agreed. I just replace "Chuck Norris" with "Mr. T" anytime I read one of those memes. Makes more sense that way.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by gnarbarian » Fri, May 10, 2013, 2:33 PM UTC

mmcnickle wrote: post #19

twistedpair wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived in Germany (Muenster) for 4 months, I noticed they have many such laws Americans would be aghast at. For example: blue laws that enforce family friendly working hours for stores (i.e. 9-6), laws that keep your employer from snooping on you, a two year required warranty on consumer electronics. It comes down to how you want to live your life. While Zuck bombastically preaches that "privacy is dead" and th…

> a two year required warranty on consumer electronics This isn't limited to Germany, it's a European-wide directive. And I fail to see how it can be viewed as negative.

It drives up prices. I prefer having a choice. I don't need a 2 year warranty on simple cheap devices. But the warranty is always there for a small price for the important things (like my motherboard or laptop).

Often times the additional cost of the mandatory warranty will put a product out of reach for people who would be happy with the mfr's standard warranty.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by pbhjpbhj » Fri, May 10, 2013, 2:58 PM UTC

twistedpair wrote: post #15

chez17 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I understand the "exploit them for money" part and I agree with that part of your argument. However, the "cannot just film random people and share the images" seems, to put it bluntly, insane. If you march in a parade down the street, people can take pictures and share them. There is absolutely zero expectations…

Having lived in Germany (Muenster) for 4 months, I noticed they have many such laws Americans would be aghast at. For example: blue laws that enforce family friendly working hours for stores (i.e. 9-6), laws that keep your employer from snooping on you, a two year required warranty on consumer electronics. It comes down to how you want to live your life. While Zuck bombastically preaches that "privacy is dead" and th…

>a two year required warranty //

Excellent.

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by jonknee » Fri, May 10, 2013, 3:03 PM UTC

praptak wrote: post #22

ryusage wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very strange to me as an American. So would you actually get in legal trouble if you took a picture at a public event?

Nope, as long as you don't publish it.

How does the media work if you can't take photos/video of the public?

Re: Techno Viking Takes Youtube Uploader To Court

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Post by runjake » Fri, May 10, 2013, 3:10 PM UTC

twistedpair wrote: post #15

chez17 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but if you are literally marching down the street in a parade, you lose the claim of "privacy". I understand the "exploit them for money" part and I agree with that part of your argument. However, the "cannot just film random people and share the images" seems, to put it bluntly, insane. If you march in a parade down the street, people can take pictures and share them. There is absolutely zero expectations…

Having lived in Germany (Muenster) for 4 months, I noticed they have many such laws Americans would be aghast at. For example: blue laws that enforce family friendly working hours for stores (i.e. 9-6), laws that keep your employer from snooping on you, a two year required warranty on consumer electronics. It comes down to how you want to live your life. While Zuck bombastically preaches that "privacy is dead" and th…

I'm an American and none of those even begin to put me aghast. We're not all right-wing, war-monging cowboys with gun racks. Conversely, we're not all Occupy protestors carrying protest signs 24/7. Don't pay attention to the media.