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You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by obviouslygreen »

"Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome."

This is where you lost me. If you're arguing that it's normal, don't call it a freaking syndrome. Don't give it an ADHD-like name, don't make it a diagnosis. Say it's nature, say what you mean, stop with the excuses. You are making exactly the opposite of your case.

No reasonable person will listen to the deluge of "treat your Shift Work Disorder with this pill" and "solve your Erectile Disfunction" with this pill and somehow hear "Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome" and not think "yeah... bullshit."

If you want to alter people's idea of normal, don't frame your existence the way people frame diseases and disorders. You are not changing perspectives, you are reinforcing them, and you are making yourself look even more abnormal.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by vacri »

bane wrote: post #74
Udo wrote: post #16

People's sleep cycles are just different, even if it's not fashionable to acknowledge that. They differ with the person and they differ with the personal situation at the time. This notion that there is The One True Sleep Pattern and that everybody should adhere to it is not tenable in my opinion. It's a strategy that sells books on how to become "normal", nothing else. I'm a night person, I viscerally hate mornings,…

I agree with all of this. Right now, my normal work day starts with my waking up 5am and I feel like shit most of the day regardless of how long I've been doing it and how disciplined I am about getting to bed. My natural cycle has me waking up at around 10am and falling asleep at around 2am. Guess how many days it takes for me to readjust back to my natural cycle when I have some time off and turn off the alarm cloc…

It's difficult to wind your sleep cycle back, but what works for some people is to wind it forward - keep going to bed later and later until you clock around again. Of course, you do need the freedom of time to be able to do this.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by endlessvoid94 »

dionidium wrote: post #91
endlessvoid94 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they'll never understand the difference between something they just happen to like or believe and something that is universally Right, Good, and True. I guarantee you a "night" person came up with that.

Well, now, that doesn't take much sleuthing. But I'm not sure I get your point.

My point was that it's a finger-pointing statement that accomplishes no further understanding for either camp, except to encourage cynicism and apathy.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by MostAwesomeDude »

aashay wrote: post #78
MostAwesomeDude wrote: post #45

False. Guilt is not shame, because it is rooted in fact. The fact of the matter is that if I fail to feel guilty for oversleeping, I will eventually be fired. If I am fired, I will no longer be able to support myself. (You can see where this is going, logically.) So yes, I do have to feel guilty for oversleeping.

Would you still get fired if you honored your commitments? What makes you think you'd be fired at all? Seems to me like your situation isn't applicable to everyone. I, for one, fit the OP's description to a tee, and I'm pretty sure there are a handful of people I work with who assume I'm lazy etc. In practice it doesn't end up mattering because I still ship and honor my commitments, and I haven't been fired. I only f…

Did you consider that one of my commitments might be "Come into the office on time and spend eight hours at work?"

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by mnicole »

bane wrote: post #74
Udo wrote: post #16

People's sleep cycles are just different, even if it's not fashionable to acknowledge that. They differ with the person and they differ with the personal situation at the time. This notion that there is The One True Sleep Pattern and that everybody should adhere to it is not tenable in my opinion. It's a strategy that sells books on how to become "normal", nothing else. I'm a night person, I viscerally hate mornings,…

I agree with all of this. Right now, my normal work day starts with my waking up 5am and I feel like shit most of the day regardless of how long I've been doing it and how disciplined I am about getting to bed. My natural cycle has me waking up at around 10am and falling asleep at around 2am. Guess how many days it takes for me to readjust back to my natural cycle when I have some time off and turn off the alarm cloc…

Same. I've been working three years at a job I have to be in at 7am for and it has really only gotten worse in terms of how I feel each day. I accidentally slept in a few times the first few months I'd started, and even though it doesn't happen anymore, that doesn't detract from the fact that my body is still not okay with it and all the coffee in the world doesn't change that.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by toomuchtodo »

supercoder wrote: post #82
toomuchtodo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure where you work, but I negotiate my hours just the same as the rest of my compensation package. 8-9am start time? That'll be an extra $10K-20K/year. Same for dress code, etc.

dress code ? do you have a farting and ball scratching package too ?

I worked somewhere that required full suit every day. I charged a $40K/year premium for that.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by theycallmemorty »

adambard wrote: post #3

I started working at a small startup in January. With the team as small as it is, the working hours are very flexible -- if I make it into the office at 10:00, I'm usually the first one there. Since I had the luxury, I did something that I want to wholeheartedly recommend to anyone who can: I stopped using an alarm clock. I'm a "night owl". I tend to have trouble sleeping before midnight, and often stay up later than…

Out of curiousity what part of the world do you live in? I'm curious what time the sun sets and rises and how that affects you.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by javert »

eldude wrote: post #90

3 years ago I could no longer fall asleep before 5am and it was severely affecting my ability to concentrate, which as a software engineer is a death knell. Like most, I internalize my problems, exacerbating my frustration, worsening sleep, and creating a negative feedback loop. Today, I sleep like a baby, and it's INCREDIBLY EASY to fix. Follow these steps, and you'll never have difficulty falling asleep again: 1. M…

Thanks. This is one of the occasional comments I find on HN that is so helpful that I put it in my notes so that I can refer to it again in the future.

While the parent article itself is really great and somewhat similar, (a) you have a better explanation of melatonin, and (b) the morning wake-up light you recommend appears (from quickly scanning comments) to be much higher quality than the one the parent article links to.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by Gravityloss »

eldude wrote: post #90

3 years ago I could no longer fall asleep before 5am and it was severely affecting my ability to concentrate, which as a software engineer is a death knell. Like most, I internalize my problems, exacerbating my frustration, worsening sleep, and creating a negative feedback loop. Today, I sleep like a baby, and it's INCREDIBLY EASY to fix. Follow these steps, and you'll never have difficulty falling asleep again: 1. M…

The sleep alarm is ingenious! How come I've never heard of it, it is such a simple idea.
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