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Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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I don't get this obsession with gold. Yes it's shiny and has historically represented value and wealth, but people apply it as the unit of currency society will fall back on in times of crisis, like a civil war. If there's fighting and chaos all around and infrastructure is cut off, clean water, food, medicine, and weapons are pretty much all that will hold any value.

I dislike gold as an investment vehicle, but it is a sensible investment during a localized civil war that does not impact the global economy. During a civil war, the local economy will be destabilized. This means that local production will drop off, and most things you want you will have to import (this includes the service of fleeing the country). In addition, your local currency will have become destabilized (poss…

> In the US there is not such a distinction. If we suffer an economic collapse (whatever the cause), we're taking the world with us.

You could also argue that if Europe collapses, it will take down the US too. It could go either way, or there may be some kind of localized collapse. All continents have their Powers That Be, and those of other continents might well be able to detach themselves from one continent going down. All that really matters is order, and the ability to keep things chugging along.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

Why this comment is down-voted? He tells the truth. Please look at this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati He is the commander of the terrorists in Syria. These people are crazy islamists and all they believe is that they'll save Syria by killing people. Please see the truth. The Al Jazeera analysis linked above is really good.

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Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

Calling it a civil war does not mean we support the islamist rebels, you have to understand that. The label "civil war" is not a value judgement, it's a description of what is actually going on.

Syria is a dictatorship, and it's under assault from (mostly) fanatical religious people. One does not always have to choose sides. It isn't always good vs evil. We need to be very clear that the ruling regime has a lot of blood on its hands. But I also understand the visceral hatred reserved for the muslim extremists who are on the other side of this war.

I imagine the rebels will win the civil war eventually, supported by the West all the way of course, but it won't be a victory for democracy or freedom or anything like that. Syria has a long and awful history, like most of the countries that surround it. Good guys do not exist in this region, at least not in a statistically meaningful number.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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post #53

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I dislike gold as an investment vehicle, but it is a sensible investment during a localized civil war that does not impact the global economy. During a civil war, the local economy will be destabilized. This means that local production will drop off, and most things you want you will have to import (this includes the service of fleeing the country). In addition, your local currency will have become destabilized (poss…

> If we suffer an economic collapse (whatever the cause), we're taking the world with us. As such, there is no currency with the properties that people are looking for. Yes exactly. And I hear too many people in the US say they feel like we are on the verge of some kind of massive revolution or civil war, which seems preposterous to me. Your average person would rather just get by than get involved in a bloody, civil…

Our economies are finally about to collapse under the weight of their impossibility, and that's likely to cause some kind of upheaval. That's not about Ethnic Group A hating Ethnic Group B, even though something like that may well happen all around Europe, for example. Economic rebalancing/calamity will come first though.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Well, let's suppose what you said is all true. That doesn't preclude the fact the regime is playing this game as well and in fact is utilizing it to its advantage. The fact of the matter is, Syria has been under the control of a mafia-like government for over 40 years, and ruled by one family. It's one of the most repressive regimes on earth. You're also forgetting that the revolution started peacefully. People prote…

Events did not play out as straight forward as you describe them. If your only source is the 6 o'clock news then yes that really is what you believe. But if you had followed the conflict closely and relied on a variety of independent sources you would have a much different picture.

If your news source is "alduniya" or "almanar" or any other pro-regime outlet then you have no right to talk about anyone having distorted pictures of what's going on.

If you actually have a valid point then present it. What did exactly happen?

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

If the NATO was really involved then this war would've been over months ago.

The regime is still alive because no outside force is really doing anything.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Any offline transaction which is spec'ed with JSON-RPC doesn't pass my apocalypse test. I'm sorry dude, but if the bombs are flying and buildings burning, just admit it: Bitcoin is not a suitable currency.

> but if the bombs are flying and buildings burning And state issued currency that could be worthless after a civil war or invasion would be better? Technically you could argue that bitcoin, being not issued by a government or controlling entity and possibly still in use in less volatile parts of the world is more likely to retain its value, as would a cold-storage BTC wallet hidden until afterwards when the internet…

>However if you are thinking along the lines of of gold, silver and gems, then yes, bitcoin can't compare .

I would add the dollar to that list as well.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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I recall reading a series of blog posts written by someone who survived a south american economic collapse. (I forget what the URL was.) His perspective was that there is a VERY thin veneer on civilization, after which weapons, a fortified home, large cars, and absolute paranoia seem to be the best bet. Some highlights: - small gold rings are good currency: you can easily divide it, and you can carry small amounts on…

http://www.ferfal.com/

Exactly. I wonder how many here manage to pry their eyes open.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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You can memorize the keys to a bitcoin account and carry your wealth with you in your head until you get to a place with an internet connection. Better that than diamonds in tubes of toothpaste.

In stressful situations I've know people to give names other than their own (Maiden name when married for 30ish years), forget their birthdate and a host of other missteps. War is (I imagine), stressful. I wouldn't be setting up systems that that required a lot of thought if I was off to some sort of high stress environment.

The high stress environment is getting out of the country. The environment where you get an internet connection again and are in a stable enough situation to recover your wealth at your leisure is not stressful.
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