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You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by michaelochurch »

chc wrote: post #96
xradionut wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really a rant about sleep habits. It's a rant about excuses and not meeting commitments.

I don't think so. It's a rant about people who don't want to do hard things. Go reread — the overall thrust is not "keep your promises," but rather "do hard things and don't complain about them." He says this pretty explicitly several times.

Sometimes people should complain when they have to do hard things.

Alan: My arbitrary function equality checker is taking a goddamn long time to write.

Barbara: That's because it's mathematically impossible.

Alan: Oh, thanks. I guess I won't put that feature in, then.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by DamnYuppie »

bcgraham wrote: post #40

Hey, everybody! A straight, white, cis man misses the good old days, when we wrote off anyone who wasn't straight, white, cis, or male as "not allowed to be successful." The best days were when women couldn't vote and before the Civil Rights Act was passed! We valued hard work then! Ignore gains in productivity since then! "Sissies" is still an insult indicative of moral superiority! Anyone with executive functioning…

Hey everbody I am liberal pro feminist who will shout down and demeaning anyone or anything that says something I don't like! That is what you sound like....

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by michaelochurch »

RestlessMind wrote: post #104
michaelochurch wrote: post #43

What a self-righteous douchebag. I'm a fully "respectable" 10-to-5:30 sleeper and it doesn't make me morally superior to anyone else. It's a combination of biology, age, and lifestyle circumstances, two of which I have no control over and one which I have little control over. No one likes waking up in the morning. That's not even true. That's a false-misery play: make people feel bad by presenting the view that every…

> However, I don't think he understands that most people end up in meetings they didn't voluntarily agree to attend. So? A job is a contract between you and your employer. If you don't want to honor it, choose a different contract. If your boss wants you to come at a certain time, show up at that time or change the boss. Those who show up for meetings on time are morally superior to those who don't because they can't…

If your boss wants you to come at a certain time, show up at that time or change the boss.

You realize that in most firms, that also means (even if it's a large company and there's no point in it being that way) changing companies, right? And also that it takes about a month to do that, and that you'll usually be fired if you get found out for looking? And also that people who change companies "too often" get the "job hopper" label and get raped by closed-minded idiots who never grew out of thinking the way you do, right?

I am fucking sick of arguing about the real world with Internet "libertarians" who've not spent significant time in it. Go back to pretending to be a 16-year-old girl who's "soooo confused".

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by format »

_delirium wrote: post #84
yid wrote: post #13

I never imagined that the nerd-flame-war that would cause me to take a HN break was over waking up in the morning, and not about bashing some poor database or microbenchmark.

Actually, I think this post, which is also causing me to take an HN break, is not very surprising from that perspective. It highlights one of the worst tendencies of HN I've been worried about a while. HN is actually quite good on technical issues. People disagree, but it's rarely completely idiotic. There is smart stuff, and information is exchanged, and the overall level of debate is good. But on philosophical issu…

This post smacks of reactionary prejudice. Some people are different than me? Something must be wrong with them! I am better than you because I wake up before you! You have got to be kidding.

If this post was written 40 years ago it would be directed at women telling them they actually have it pretty good. Hmm wait I actually saw that same thing just the other day.

These ignorant arrogant people need to figure out why they don't have even a smidgen of empathy and quit blaming us for being "bleeding hearts".

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by chc »

RestlessMind wrote: post #104
michaelochurch wrote: post #43

What a self-righteous douchebag. I'm a fully "respectable" 10-to-5:30 sleeper and it doesn't make me morally superior to anyone else. It's a combination of biology, age, and lifestyle circumstances, two of which I have no control over and one which I have little control over. No one likes waking up in the morning. That's not even true. That's a false-misery play: make people feel bad by presenting the view that every…

> However, I don't think he understands that most people end up in meetings they didn't voluntarily agree to attend. So? A job is a contract between you and your employer. If you don't want to honor it, choose a different contract. If your boss wants you to come at a certain time, show up at that time or change the boss. Those who show up for meetings on time are morally superior to those who don't because they can't…

> If your boss wants you to come at a certain time, show up at that time or change the boss.

No, there is no moral obligation to silently put up with any mistreatment your boss dreams up. You are always free to negotiate — the counteroffer may be "you are not worth this trouble and you're fired," but hey, that's business. It's not a divine judgment from on high.

For example, my boss once asked me to come in an hour earlier than I had been. By the OP's thinking, I should have just said "Yessir!" Instead, I said, "That'll be massively inconvenient for me. What is it that's prompting this?" It turned out that she just had some extra work that needed doing by a certain time each day, so I came up with a more efficient way to get this work done that wouldn't require changing my schedule around. She ended up thanking me because I saved everyone time. TL;DR: I said no and came out looking better for it.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by michaelochurch »

RestlessMind wrote: post #109
michaelochurch wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the job offer say "must attend morning meetings"? Some job offers specify work hours and most don't. If the person took a job offer knowing that there would be 7:00 meetings and then didn't show up, then I agree with you. Some job offers include hours so there are no surprises. Many trading firms start at 6:30, for example, and that's fine as long as both parties are clear about expectations ahead of time. If the…

> Did the job offer say "must attend morning meetings"? Some job offers specify work hours and most don't. But there is implicit assumption in a job offer that meetings ought to be attended on time. Sometimes, meeting times are decided based on mutual convenience. Sometimes, they are dictated by your boss. Nothing wrong with that.

People can claim "implicit assumptions" all they want. Most rapists believe in an "implicit assumption" that the woman wants to have sex with them. That doesn't make it true.

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious, and I'm not sure I even want to know.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by DrewAllyn »

michaelochurch wrote: post #103
DrewAllyn wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They agreed to attend meetings when they accepted the job offer. If you aren't capable of doing what is deemed necessary for your job (whether its actually necessary or not is a separate question) then maybe you are in the wrong job.

Did the job offer say "must attend morning meetings"? Some job offers specify work hours and most don't. If the person took a job offer knowing that there would be 7:00 meetings and then didn't show up, then I agree with you. Some job offers include hours so there are no surprises. Many trading firms start at 6:30, for example, and that's fine as long as both parties are clear about expectations ahead of time. If the…

There is a concept of 'normal' and if your sleep cycle is so far out of 'normal' that it interferes with your ability to do 'normal' things, then it is your responsibility to determine if that will be a problem before you accept the job, not the employers. Even in the case of trading that you brought up, if starting at 6:30 is normal in that field, then the employer shouldn't need to bring up in the offer that they expect you to start at 6:30. If the employee is moving to a new field or to a place that has a different corporate culture, it should be their responsibility to find out what 'normal' is.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by jaggederest »

err_badprocrast wrote: post #98
jaggederest wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Melatonin is fine if it works for you, and you find the right schedule to take it on, and you don't get terrible nightmares from it. Somehow I usually meet 2 of those criteria at a time.

> and you don't get terrible nightmares from it Whoa, melatonin makes you dream? Sounds interesting. I can count on one hand the number of dreams I'm aware of having over the past 10 years.

No, not dream. Wake up dripping sweat and fearing the things under the bed. No bueno.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Post by jaggederest »

dools wrote: post #93
anonymoushn wrote: post #24

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Modafinil is not a long-term solution as regular use causes tolerance.

Sounds like the OP could use some regular modafinil.

Funny you mention that, but there is evidence that giving racists beta blockers reduces their racism:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/242769.php

I often wonder if similar treatment could improve empathy across the board.

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