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You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#41
What a prolix pile of raw, unthinking emotion. The original post was kinda silly, but it was miles ahead of this irrational Puritanical drivel.

If you believe that life should be hard, then you are welcome to make things hard for yourself. Personally, when something is hard, I treat that as a problem to be solved so that living a good life is as easy as possible. I think my approach will be more fruitful in the end, but hey, it's your life.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coma? Narcolepsy? It seems like you're pulling out all the stops to avoid the uncomfortable point: the vast, vast majority of us are normal and don't have a convenient excuse for our poor sleep habits. > If you wake up having hit a snooze button that you didn't consciously push, is that your fault? Absolutely. 1000%. Move your alarm. Hide it. Make it not turn off until you do math problems. Have a friend call you. Se…

>It is your responsibility and yours alone to wake up early enough to meet the obligations that you made for yourself. For myself? Sure. But why should I feel beholden to other people's schedules like the article says?

You're not. Go live amongst the trees and be a beautiful independent spirit and write a great American novel.

All this author is saying is that if you CHOOSE to make commitments and then fail to honor them, you're not an awful person, but yes you should feel guilty for that. On that, I agree.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#43
What a self-righteous douchebag. I'm a fully "respectable" 10-to-5:30 sleeper and it doesn't make me morally superior to anyone else. It's a combination of biology, age, and lifestyle circumstances, two of which I have no control over and one which I have little control over.

No one likes waking up in the morning.

That's not even true. That's a false-misery play: make people feel bad by presenting the view that everyone else is suffering, when it isn't true. Most people have no problem getting up at a traditionally socially acceptable time. A few people do, and a lot of it's biological.

Just because someone has conjured up a “label” for the way your brain works doesn’t give you a free pass to break your word.

I guess this guy hasn't worked a real job yet and learned that normal people don't get to choose what their meeting schedules are. I agree. If you fully voluntarily (being told you must by a boss doesn't count) agree to do something at 6:00 am, then you get the fuck up and do it no matter how tired you are. However, I don't think he understands that most people end up in meetings they didn't voluntarily agree to attend.

The problem with the typical workplace is that it's built on promises that weren't made voluntarily, and many of which don't actually exist, but that's another rant.

Boo-hoo, get off Reddit and go to bed earlier.

Actually, there is an insight here. Morning or night person, most of us lose our good judgment at a certain level of tiredness and start staying up when there isn't a good reason to do so. This is a tough call, because sometimes it's useful to stay up until 3:00am but usually it's not. The problem with sleep deprivation is that you often don't know how tired/impaired you are. You might even feel the opposite, though your objective performance is terrible.

Earning your life is supposed to be difficult.

Posturing. Bullshit. We get it, you have a big dick. Congratulations.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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It’s your fault and your fault alone. If you're in a coma, is that your fault? If you have narcolepsy, is it your fault? If you wake up having hit a snooze button that you didn't consciously push , is that your fault? If you have a medical condition that makes it harder for you to wake up than for 99.8% of the population, is that your fault? There's a line somewhere, and I don't think the author of the original artic…

If you're in the 0.15% of the population who have DSPD, it's not your fault. The people reading these articles, in all likelihood, do not have DSPD.

Seeing how these articles are read by thousands of people, it's not unlikely some of them have DSPD, and will be prompted to post comments saying so.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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It’s your fault and your fault alone. If you're in a coma, is that your fault? If you have narcolepsy, is it your fault? If you wake up having hit a snooze button that you didn't consciously push , is that your fault? If you have a medical condition that makes it harder for you to wake up than for 99.8% of the population, is that your fault? There's a line somewhere, and I don't think the author of the original artic…

Coma? Narcolepsy? It seems like you're pulling out all the stops to avoid the uncomfortable point: the vast, vast majority of us are normal and don't have a convenient excuse for our poor sleep habits. > If you wake up having hit a snooze button that you didn't consciously push, is that your fault? Absolutely. 1000%. Move your alarm. Hide it. Make it not turn off until you do math problems. Have a friend call you. Se…

There is a subtler point to be made that is (perhaps unintentionally) hinted at by the author of this article and sp332. At what point does a disruptive, repetitive, and persistent behavior go from being simple laziness or irresponsibility to a "disease"? If you believe that the mind is a purely physical thing and therefore that all behavior is the result of the body's composition and environment, then the only thing you can do is draw a line somewhere and call one group of behaviors "disease" and the other group "irresponsibility."

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#47
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The author of this post comes across as a raging jackass. I'd never heard of Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome until I read the other post, but it perfectly describes my life. I've never really known how to describe just how difficult it is to get up in the morning, but it is really, truly difficult. Joe Conway, you said in your post that "every single one of your actions is controllable". If you truly believe this, you s…

Does flying to a different timezone incapacitate you or do you adjust in a few days? Does daylight savings time cause you problems or do you adjust like everyone else?

If you can adjust to those things, you can adjust your "normal" sleep cycle and you don't have this rare condition.

The reason you have a hard time getting up "early" is that you go to sleep too late. Just go to sleep an hour earlier than "normal". Too hard? Impossible? If that's so, how do you do it every year when we go off DST?

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#48
I speak as someone who shaved almost two hours off of his regular rise-time in the last few months. Wherever the blame lies, at least look for some of these "big wins":

* Do you actually get enough sleep? Can you show when you actually went to bed and when you got back out?

* Do you avoid bright, blue lights (e.g. florescent bulbs or monitors without Flux) close to bed time?

* Do you have a ritual of some kind that gets your mind and body ready for bed?

* Have you had an actual sleep study checking for sleep apnea?

* Does your diet or other factors give you heartburn or other physiological sleep interrupts?

If you can devote 1-3 weeks to checking one of these at a time, that can address a lot of sleep issues.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#49
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Like the author of the blog mentioned in this post, I too find it hard to wake up in the morning. But, so what? I don't feel pity for myself or try to blame my desire to sleep longer on a "disease". This blog post really hits the nail on the head.

And since it's easy for you to overcome that problem, it must mean everyone else who struggles with it must not be trying. It can't possibly be harder for them than for you, after all!
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