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You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

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Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#81
My only issue with this article is that the sepia filters ended up selling for "only" around $750 million, or so I recently learned on Hacker News.

It's not about the esoteric medical conditions that each of us might have, if we look hard enough and go the right doctors. It's about our responsibility to fulfill the obligations we have taken upon ourselves.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#82

The saddest thing is how morning persons have managed to make a virtue out of their biological clock and that their preferences are so deeply ingrained in society now.

I'm the 4am-12pm sorta sleeper variety, but it does, you know, make sense to conduct society's business during daylight hours.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#83
post #52

Light therapy. Or, you know, modafinil works too. The answer isn't always 'man up', neither is it 'I am a victim'. Just treat it and move on with your life. You're not a hero for getting to work on time, but neither are you a villain for being late.

The world is a big place and everyone has their own circumstance. But I think the point of the Great Big Get-Off-My-Lawn Rant (which I loved) was more that for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of circumstances getting up in the morning doesn't rise to the level of a severe personal handicap . I mean, I hate mornings as much as the next person, and have slept through a decent number of events. Yet stil…

Well, in my opinion, it's pretty crippling in 'polite society' not to be a morning person.

I've lost jobs over it, relationships, all sorts of fairly major personal issues.

My point is that there are solutions that enable people to fix this problem, if they are so inclined. This sort of excoriating article disregards the real pain people experience, and the other sort of article disregards the real issues that 'just never do anything in the morning and don't try to adapt' causes.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#84
post #13

I never imagined that the nerd-flame-war that would cause me to take a HN break was over waking up in the morning, and not about bashing some poor database or microbenchmark.

Actually, I think this post, which is also causing me to take an HN break, is not very surprising from that perspective. It highlights one of the worst tendencies of HN I've been worried about a while.

HN is actually quite good on technical issues. People disagree, but it's rarely completely idiotic. There is smart stuff, and information is exchanged, and the overall level of debate is good.

But on philosophical issues, it's frankly not very good. There is a lot of knee-jerk bigotry. I mean this post leads by calling people "sissies", a clearly homophobic term. It also has a complete disinterest in science, and is longer on trolling and provocation than reason or intelligence. It worked. Got to #1 on HN!

Simple sound-bites, strong opinions, and posts that I can only really describe as in the "lifehacking" genre on the one hand, or the "political/social provocation" genre on the other hand, are what's the worst about HN. These are usually embarrassing at best. And in the best case they get flagged off the front page. The moderators are also clearly worried, because provocative titles often get changed, which sometimes leads to the posts fizzling without being flagged. Reduces damage, at least.

Anyway, as you say, time for a break. I'm sick of Joe Conway and his ilk of arrogant, ignorant assholes. Before chiding other people for being lazy, maybe these ignorant fucks should get off their asses and visit a library. They aren't stupid, but they're ignorant. Science and intelligence is about more than blogging whatever comes to the top of your head after 10 minutes of thought. You need to read. You need to think a bit about whether the first reaction that comes to mind is correct: is this really the position you want to write a manifesto about? Do you have data to support your contention that an alleged condition is imagined and actually the people are just lazy losers, and "suck it up" is a good prescription? Or are you just expressing a reactionary, right-wing political view borne more out of politics and prejudice than rationality and evidence?

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#85
Well, I think I'm going to be disrespectful and uneducated for a minute.

Listen, don't throw me inside your "generation" when you mean "lazy american SF hipster startup guys".

I live in Brazil, my life is like this: I sleep @ 11pm and wakeup @ 4am... I take 4 hours trips to work because I don't have a car. When I get to work, I have to lead a team. I go to gym, 3 times a week. I hold a bachelor in CS. I maintain good/famous projects in Github. I study regularly(currently trying to learn some erlang). I speak two languages well, my mother language and english.

I came from a fucking poor family where you wouldn't even UNDERSTAND of what's like to live there. I'm 24 and I don't have a fucking driver's license.

I earn 50% of a american shitty developer and I lead a team. Cars are at least 4x more expensive here than your country that have been winning the world by making wars and slaving people in a smart way that human rights doesn't really consider it slavery.

So, fuck you and "YOUR" generation. Stop making HN SHIT just publishing fucking damn articles and shitty blog posts. Stop fighting against the other retarded people that just wanted to make excuses.

There's actually people here like me that are desperate for doing something interesting for the humanity. So, shut the fuck up.

Thanks.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#86

What a self-righteous douchebag. I'm a fully "respectable" 10-to-5:30 sleeper and it doesn't make me morally superior to anyone else. It's a combination of biology, age, and lifestyle circumstances, two of which I have no control over and one which I have little control over. No one likes waking up in the morning. That's not even true. That's a false-misery play: make people feel bad by presenting the view that every…

They agreed to attend meetings when they accepted the job offer. If you aren't capable of doing what is deemed necessary for your job (whether its actually necessary or not is a separate question) then maybe you are in the wrong job.

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#88
post #10

Just a quibble: I think Englishman Alan Turing deserves a lot of credit for inventing computing. The US has done a lot with innovating it. Otherwise a good rant. edit: credit also to Babbage and Lovelace (also English)

Now don't ruin the rah-rah, US Nr. 1 appeal (or: US isn't Nr. 1 because now people are sissies)

Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.

#90

What a self-righteous douchebag. I'm a fully "respectable" 10-to-5:30 sleeper and it doesn't make me morally superior to anyone else. It's a combination of biology, age, and lifestyle circumstances, two of which I have no control over and one which I have little control over. No one likes waking up in the morning. That's not even true. That's a false-misery play: make people feel bad by presenting the view that every…

It's not really a rant about sleep habits. It's a rant about excuses and not meeting commitments.
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