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The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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I was hoping to see some data on how limited funds forced people to buy inefficiently...that is, buying cheaper quantities that are per-item more expensive than bulk buying because they can't afford the up front cost of buying bulk. My roommate will do this when buying dish soap for the household, always getting the smallest bottle than just paying for the large one at a 30% discount per ounce. Also, some cheap items…

Rice costs $.20 for 1300 calories.

Rice can be incredibly unhealthy for you as well...my girlfriend talks about the "Peace Corps 15", where your host family stuffs you full of incredibly starchy carbohydrates (because that's often all that's available in 3rd world countries) and you end up gaining a large amount of weight and ending up with nutritional deficits anyway because of it.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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It's hard for people to make the comparisons between brands, sizes, so on and so forth. Australia recently passed legislation requiring supermarkets to list the price-per-unit-weight/volume alongside the product price. So on a food item, you'll see the price for the product, and also the price per 100 grams. It means things are directly comparable across brands and sizes ("how does this 117g portion compare to this 2…

We have had this in the USA for as long as I have bought food. Next to the price on something like a pizza they note the price per ounce.

I'm not sure it's a law though (I doubt it, at least it's not federal, as it's not in all stores). I imagine it could just as easily have been market pressure, as the supermarkets began to offer their own brands of products for cheaper than premium, it made sense to offer direct comparisons with as much information as possible.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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Rice costs $.20 for 1300 calories.

Rice can be incredibly unhealthy for you as well...my girlfriend talks about the "Peace Corps 15", where your host family stuffs you full of incredibly starchy carbohydrates (because that's often all that's available in 3rd world countries) and you end up gaining a large amount of weight and ending up with nutritional deficits anyway because of it.

Think more along potatoes and quark.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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I ran into this today when buying TP. I actually just wrote about it. http://stfudamnit.com/2013/05/04/poverty-toilet-paper-and-th...

It's hard for people to make the comparisons between brands, sizes, so on and so forth. Australia recently passed legislation requiring supermarkets to list the price-per-unit-weight/volume alongside the product price. So on a food item, you'll see the price for the product, and also the price per 100 grams. It means things are directly comparable across brands and sizes ("how does this 117g portion compare to this 2…

Britain also has this kind of legislation. But e.g. Tesco often tries to play around it, by listing, say, different kinds of apples sometimes by piece, sometimes by kg.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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We have had this in the USA for as long as I have bought food. Next to the price on something like a pizza they note the price per ounce.

I'm not sure it's a law though (I doubt it, at least it's not federal, as it's not in all stores). I imagine it could just as easily have been market pressure, as the supermarkets began to offer their own brands of products for cheaper than premium, it made sense to offer direct comparisons with as much information as possible.

That sounds right too. I'm not sure if it mandated or convention.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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I was hoping to see some data on how limited funds forced people to buy inefficiently...that is, buying cheaper quantities that are per-item more expensive than bulk buying because they can't afford the up front cost of buying bulk. My roommate will do this when buying dish soap for the household, always getting the smallest bottle than just paying for the large one at a 30% discount per ounce. Also, some cheap items…

You get 6 apples per big Mac. It is actually a better meal.

no it isn't. its a terrible "meal."

delusions are not your ally. try not to embrace them with such zeal.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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You're not the exception. The big shot web devs in HN and in blogging forums are the exception -- and, through survivorship bias et al, they make it sound like it was just their "hard work and persistence" that got them there.

Not to mention that managing a business (freelancing) is a totally different skill set than web development. Of the developers out there who are decent at web development, many are hopeless at running a business.

The basics of running business can be learned. And as programming skills are currently really sought after compared to almost any other skills, the only business skills you need to learn is basic sales skills and asking for more money.

The only strategy you need to understand is "follow the money". Always try to understand how critical the project is to customer's core money making activities. If the project is an experimental iPhone app for promotional purposes, the budget is likely to be constrained.

For some odd reason, asking for more money seem to be really hard for many developers. We seem to have some internal mental critic saying that "You are not worth it". You can read stories from HN of people who have to get drunk to be able to send a bill to the customer. I remember how I kept postponing sending my first 100€/h bill to customer because I had these looming thoughts that it was somehow unfair. Despite that the customer was a huge organization making millions a month, and my work had helped them enormously.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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I consider myself to have some pretty useful development skills. I keep up to date with things like HTML5, CoffeeScript, AngularJS, AWS, Node.JS etc. However, I don't know what my problem is, if its lack of social or business skills or no degree or what, but I have been living hand-to-mouth doing freelance software development for years. A lot of my projects have been from outsourcing sites. But some of them have bee…

I was going to write a lot of what patio11 already did - it's much the same advice I give to people in similar situations - I'll try to add a bit more.

It's 0 to do with your lack of degree. I have a degree in philosophy from 20 years ago - that plays 0 role in determining projects. Word of mouth and referrals are a primary key to projects coming in. How do you get those?

Networking events help some, but it's a slower process and more of a 'long term' effort to be keeping up. Finding events focused on a particular industry you want to serve (education, finance, writers, construction, food service, etc) will give you a bigger bang for your time investment. You may not have a portfolio specifically focused on 'industry x', but it doesn't matter - showing up at some of their events - and talking to people - will connect you with some players.

Asking people for referrals will generally help too, although doing this with clients from outsourcing sites won't - they've already demonstrated how they want to search for labor. If they like you, they won't want to loan their 'secret weapon' out to friends/colleagues - if they don't, they would't want to ruin their reputation by referring you to someone else. This is somewhat perverse, but it's logic I've heard from more than a few people who've found 'good' developers via sites like odesk. This only applies to people who are continually using your services on a regular basis though.

Following up on patio11 - run your own functions, and/or start your own meetup/networking group. Being the person who runs a regional meetup group will make you the gatekeeper for people who want to contact your group members, generally when they have job/project offers. This won't necessarily be a flood of business on day - again, this a bit more of a long-term strategy - but it can have some moderately quick pay off in some areas.

But... you will need those social skills - I've no idea if yours are good or bad, but just by doing some of these things and putting yourself out there, you'll be demonstrating at least a willingness to learn or improve those skills.

Find local/regional development shops - marketing agencies doing web work, for example - and ask if they have any overflow work. This isn't necessarily going to get you $100/hour work off the bat, but will connect you with more people in your area. That said, for newer projects, they may just price you in to their proposals, and as it's not the agency's money, they won't care too much what your price is - it's just one component of the project.

Also, re: AWS, Node, CoffeeScript - etc - the types of projects you're going to find on outsourcing sites aren't typically going to be relying on those. Business owners care far more about just getting something done than what tech it's using, but those that want specific tech by name probably aren't clamoring for coffeescript or typescript at this point - they'll be asking for drupal or wordpress or magenta by name.

I'm at mgkimsal@gmail.com and would be interested in helping out more if I can - feel free to email me and we can discuss things in private more directly if you'd like.

I'd also throw out that I think you might need to consider travel - no idea if you do that or not, but I've had some projects I couldn't give to people because they weren't available to come on site a few times during the project (as in, drive 5-6 hours and stay overnight).

FWIW, I don't think you're alone - I think there's a number of people in your situation.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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It's hard for people to make the comparisons between brands, sizes, so on and so forth. Australia recently passed legislation requiring supermarkets to list the price-per-unit-weight/volume alongside the product price. So on a food item, you'll see the price for the product, and also the price per 100 grams. It means things are directly comparable across brands and sizes ("how does this 117g portion compare to this 2…

We have had this in the USA for as long as I have bought food. Next to the price on something like a pizza they note the price per ounce.

Sometimes, though, you'll see one item's unit price in units of $/ea, while its competing item is in something like $/1000.

Re: The cost of hand-to-mouth living

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I'm not sure it's a law though (I doubt it, at least it's not federal, as it's not in all stores). I imagine it could just as easily have been market pressure, as the supermarkets began to offer their own brands of products for cheaper than premium, it made sense to offer direct comparisons with as much information as possible.

That sounds right too. I'm not sure if it mandated or convention.

I think its just convention in the US. They dont have per weight prices at the coop grocery I go to.
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