China Cyberspies Outwit U.S. Stealing Military Secrets

Post by DanBC » Thu, May 02, 2013, 11:38 AM UTC

adventured wrote: post #39

beachstartup wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

china is basically doing exactly what the US did to come to economic power and people are shocked, shocked! to see it. people really, truly, honesty believe the last 200 years of US and European ascent didn't happen, as if the world sprang forth fully formed in 1997. the vast majority of people haven't spent 5 minutes really thinking about how this stuff works. a lot of this double-standard is inextricably tied to ra…

Who did the US steal the transistor, cell phone, modern operating system, microprocessor, router and Internet from? Did the US steal all the oil in Titusville (which instigated a massive economic boom) from Britain? How about all the chemistry work and exploration work that the US did to make oil useful and plentiful? Standard Oil had one of the most advanced R&D labs on the planet. I guess all the advanced technolog…

Post by arethuza » Thu, May 02, 2013, 11:45 AM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #41

adventured wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who did the US steal the transistor, cell phone, modern operating system, microprocessor, router and Internet from? Did the US steal all the oil in Titusville (which instigated a massive economic boom) from Britain? How about all the chemistry work and exploration work that the US did to make oil useful and plentiful? Standard Oil had one of the most advanced R&D labs on the planet. I guess all the advanced technolog…

The US is known to have used ECHELON for industrial espionage. This was for aerospace. While avoiding hyperbole of the parent comment let's not imagine that any country is immune from industrial espionage and industrial corruption. (The UK which has relatively little political corruption has some astounding examples of industrial corruption.)

Post by gadders » Thu, May 02, 2013, 11:51 AM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #41

adventured wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who did the US steal the transistor, cell phone, modern operating system, microprocessor, router and Internet from? Did the US steal all the oil in Titusville (which instigated a massive economic boom) from Britain? How about all the chemistry work and exploration work that the US did to make oil useful and plentiful? Standard Oil had one of the most advanced R&D labs on the planet. I guess all the advanced technolog…

The US is known to have used ECHELON for industrial espionage. This was for aerospace. While avoiding hyperbole of the parent comment let's not imagine that any country is immune from industrial espionage and industrial corruption. (The UK which has relatively little political corruption has some astounding examples of industrial corruption.)

Post by kaybe » Thu, May 02, 2013, 12:51 PM UTC

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #30

I grow weary of reading these "hacking," "cyberspy," etc articles. They always read like a plot of a bad action movie (Hackers, Swordfish, etc) rather than what people who actually work in the sector (IT, Security, even programming) have to deal with day to day. Just once, I'd love to read an article that talks in specifics, like how they got in (e.g. via exploit XYZ), how they spread (e.g. via hole in network policy…

Post by xenophonf » Thu, May 02, 2013, 1:18 PM UTC

kaybe wrote: post #47

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #30

I grow weary of reading these "hacking," "cyberspy," etc articles. They always read like a plot of a bad action movie (Hackers, Swordfish, etc) rather than what people who actually work in the sector (IT, Security, even programming) have to deal with day to day. Just once, I'd love to read an article that talks in specifics, like how they got in (e.g. via exploit XYZ), how they spread (e.g. via hole in network policy…

Seriously, does anyone of you reading this here ever use the word 'cyber'?