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Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by kunai »

pekk wrote: post #235
kunai wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many of my programers are too busy being productive to be interested in dicking around with making things work anymore, and increasingly I hold this view This. I switched to OS X from Ubuntu about a few months ago simply because of this reason. I was too tired of tinkering and configuring endless .conf files, adjusting my GNOME/Xfce panel layouts for optimum productivity, and changing my display manager because all…

You don't like Ubuntu dictating a desktop environment to you. So you fiddle with other things for a long time, at your own option. Then you pay Apple to dictate a desktop environment to you. Hmm...

I didn't leave the Linux world because I didn't like Ubuntu dictating a desktop environment to me. I left because OS X suits my needs better than any Linux distribution (except perhaps OpenSUSE) could.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by omegaham »

Stratoscope wrote: post #219
omegaham wrote: post #127

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What you seem to be saying is that in order to use a personal computer, you should be an expert. I disagree, and I'm glad that most people disagree as well. User-friendliness is important regardless of what system it is, even Linux. Have you noticed that the most successful distributions of Linux are the ones that are most friendly to beginners? This elitism is destructive and serves only to make the "experts" smug a…

I had a taste of those elitist attitudes a few years ago when I was looking up how to add a user on an Ubuntu server and the top result for a search on "ubuntu add user" was this page: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/add-a-user-on-ubuntu-s... Ubuntu has two commands for this, useradd and adduser, where adduser is the easier one for newbies, while useradd is more flexible but has a lot of ways you can get it wro…

And this is what's so frustrating. I love Linux. I truly love the idea of making everything open from the kernel to the desktop environment to all of the applications you can run on it. I truly love the idea of customizing everything... and if you don't like what's there, you can modify it to your heart's content if you learn how. That's just freaking cool to me.

Except... we have douchebags in the community who talk shit to newbies and then cry, "Why does everyone use Windows? How come Linux isn't more widely used?"

Just check your post history and read the number of times you wrote "RTFM." That's why.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jarek »

jebblue wrote: post #239
jarek wrote: post #229

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> I would argue that popularity is actually a great indicator of the quality of an OS Windows is tons better than OS X then?

Windows, is widely distributed...not popular.

Couldn't you say the same about Ubuntu? It's far more widely marketed to end users than any other distro.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Poyeyo »

dave1010uk wrote: post #57

Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c...

VMware tools will also not install.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jebblue »

Ologn wrote: post #226

I have been using it for about an hour on my x64 desktop. I was using Ubuntu 12.04 beforehand. The 12.04 is still on one of my disk partitions. Canonical is apparently going more in the way of pre-installed crapware. There was an Amazon icon on my Launcher, which I removed. People have also been warning the Ubuntu Dash sends your searches to Amazon, I went to System Settings -> Privacy and removed that. Haven't notic…

>> Canonical is apparently going more in the way of pre-installed crapware. There was an Amazon icon on my Launcher, which I removed. People have also been warning the Ubuntu Dash sends your searches to Amazon, I went to System Settings -> Privacy and removed that.

Thanks for the tips, when we move to 14.04 LTS we will need to know them.

>> There were no workspaces until I turned them on in settings, they seem down on workspaces - something I had without a problem since fvwm back in the mid-1990s. Hopefully there will still be workspaces in the next Ubuntu version.

Do you mean the cool workspace switcher on the Unity Launcher panel is going to be gone? That's odd.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jebblue »

jarek wrote: post #244
jebblue wrote: post #239

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Windows, is widely distributed...not popular.

Couldn't you say the same about Ubuntu? It's far more widely marketed to end users than any other distro.

No, Ubuntu is chosen by its wise users, not "marketed".

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jebblue »

w1ntermute wrote: post #152
ThePinion wrote: post #6

I've been using it for a month and haven't regret a single second of it. by the way, Nexus 7 and other MTP device users: plug your device in and enjoy full read write support by default :)

> Nexus 7 and other MTP device users: plug your device in and enjoy full read write support by default :) Is browsing/copying laggy or slow at all, like on Windows 7?

What is this MTP crap? With my Nexus One I could plug into any Windows or Linux machine and transfer files. With my new Nexus 4, uhm nope. Not without hassle. It sounds like MTP doesn't work all that well and you have to upgrade to the new Ubuntu get it. I would bet that the next Google series of phones won't allow any such mounting. Maybe not even any local storage on the phones. Everything on their servers, their "cloud". It's starting to piss me off.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jebblue »

Unosolo wrote: post #56

Poor GPU support (lack of drivers) is still a major deal-breaker for home and media use. As of now hardware should still be selected on the basis of available driver support and it's a major obstacle and the situation doesn't seem to have improved significantly since 3-5 years ago.

My new GTX card works great, Steam games (that have been ported to Linux), Minecraft (awesome!), all run great?

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Karunamon »

omegaham wrote: post #243
Stratoscope wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a taste of those elitist attitudes a few years ago when I was looking up how to add a user on an Ubuntu server and the top result for a search on "ubuntu add user" was this page: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/add-a-user-on-ubuntu-s... Ubuntu has two commands for this, useradd and adduser, where adduser is the easier one for newbies, while useradd is more flexible but has a lot of ways you can get it wro…

And this is what's so frustrating. I love Linux. I truly love the idea of making everything open from the kernel to the desktop environment to all of the applications you can run on it. I truly love the idea of customizing everything... and if you don't like what's there, you can modify it to your heart's content if you learn how. That's just freaking cool to me. Except... we have douchebags in the community who talk…

Well, there's shit-talking the newbies, and then there's refusing to lower your system to the lowest common denominator by dumbing it down.

Not being careful of that second one gets us things like the GNOME 3/Unity/Windows 8 design-by-committee that seems to be loathed so much by power users.

Is it so wrong to expect some basic minimum level of competence in a system before someone uses it? And then suggest that someone take the most basic of steps to acquire that competence before asking questions? (By R'ing TFM?)

Systems should as a rule be somewhat intuitive (IMNSHO), but you can only take that so far before you start hamstringing yourself. Devs would never get anything done if they spent all their time training people how to use systems.

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