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Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by golden_apples »

6d0debc071 wrote: post #192
claudius wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said that you should use Linux or Windows or Mac OS or iOS or whatever else you come up with. Use the product you feel is best suited to your task. If that is Windows, use Windows. Edit: That said, you will likely want someone knowledgeable around when setting up Windows or Mac OS X, too, so I don’t really get your point.

The last version I had any trouble with, by way of Windows, was 98 on a Tiny computer I had as a kid, mostly because of esoteric driver requirements. After that, it pretty much just worked. What do you think your average user is likely to do to it that would need them to go whistle for a sysadmin?

I don't know about anyone else, but I still go looking for an expert when I need any of my Windows machines fixed: whereas when any of my Ubuntu machines have issues, I'm comfortable and motivated to look up the answers myself. Partly that's an issue with documentation quality - you're a lot less likely to catch a drive-by download or follow maliciously bad advice on Linux forums - but I also find the workings of Linux much easier to understand.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by clauretano »

mindstab wrote: post #138
dave1010uk wrote: post #57

Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c...

"Actually, having a workaround by definition lessens the severity, as if someone wants to still run Skype, they can." I don't think everyone is on the same page about Ubuntu being a consumer distro and not a hacker's only distro... I have definitely noticed a decrease in the stability of Ubuntu releases over the years and it's attitudes like this that seem to be in part responsible for it. EDIT: Oh I kept reading, th…

At least they're consistent in not liking Microsoft.

Ubuntu bug #1, for reference https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by 3pt14159 »

iso8859-1 wrote: post #158
3pt14159 wrote: post #91

I've been using 13.04 on a new MacBook Pro for 2 months now. Everything is great except that I cannot seem to get sound working no matter what I try. It looks like it recognizes the hdmi sound output, but it can't seem to see the normal sound output. I am a sad man.

Did you see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro ?

Thank you very much! I don't think that this existed when I installed it, but I will try to get it working at some point when I don't have client work.

:)

Thanks again!

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by pekk »

mindstab wrote: post #138
dave1010uk wrote: post #57

Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c...

"Actually, having a workaround by definition lessens the severity, as if someone wants to still run Skype, they can." I don't think everyone is on the same page about Ubuntu being a consumer distro and not a hacker's only distro... I have definitely noticed a decrease in the stability of Ubuntu releases over the years and it's attitudes like this that seem to be in part responsible for it. EDIT: Oh I kept reading, th…

Ubuntu has no control over the Skype project. They aren't obligated to support every third-party product when it is impossible to do this.

I don't think this is the problem with recent Ubuntu releases.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by pekk »

kunai wrote: post #175
mindstab wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Actually, having a workaround by definition lessens the severity, as if someone wants to still run Skype, they can." I don't think everyone is on the same page about Ubuntu being a consumer distro and not a hacker's only distro... I have definitely noticed a decrease in the stability of Ubuntu releases over the years and it's attitudes like this that seem to be in part responsible for it. EDIT: Oh I kept reading, th…

> many of my programers are too busy being productive to be interested in dicking around with making things work anymore, and increasingly I hold this view This. I switched to OS X from Ubuntu about a few months ago simply because of this reason. I was too tired of tinkering and configuring endless .conf files, adjusting my GNOME/Xfce panel layouts for optimum productivity, and changing my display manager because all…

You don't like Ubuntu dictating a desktop environment to you. So you fiddle with other things for a long time, at your own option. Then you pay Apple to dictate a desktop environment to you. Hmm...

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jebblue »

jneen wrote: post #220
mindstab wrote: post #183

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They are releasing steady updates for it. 4.1 came out Nov 2012. That's hardly 2 years. That's after the last Ubuntu release. And it's fully supported for the platform. What are you talking about?

Well that's news to me. The last I looked was before November, I guess, and before that it still had the same old crufty UI from like 5 years ago. The userbase had been pretty up-in-arms about it for a while too: http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Vote-here-for-linux-skyp... Edit: also, they're still sitting on version 5, which introduced group video calling. It's a pretty sad situation overall.

Much as I can't stand to say something nice about Microsoft, the Skype updates at least on Ubuntu 12.04 have worked fine.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jebblue »

anoncow wrote: post #154
dave1010uk wrote: post #57

Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c...

Both bugs appear to be things which a future ubuntu or chrome/skype update should fix. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Linux haters can't stand that Ubuntu can release new OS versions so often. OTOH, I'm tired of the chase and from now on will just stick with the LTS releases. If I were a some years younger though, I'd be there in the thick of every release. Kudos to the makers and the doers of Ubuntu. RedHat, where were/are you.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by mbchandar »

xradionut wrote: post #194
kunai wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many of my programers are too busy being productive to be interested in dicking around with making things work anymore, and increasingly I hold this view This. I switched to OS X from Ubuntu about a few months ago simply because of this reason. I was too tired of tinkering and configuring endless .conf files, adjusting my GNOME/Xfce panel layouts for optimum productivity, and changing my display manager because all…

Except for a few driver issues, (Nvidia and Optimus, doh!), I haven't had a issue with Ubuntu or Mint. Any other issues with configuration, I would have also had with Windows or OS X since they were application or server specific. But I don't spend days tweaking the UI, I have a baseline of UI expectations that's not too difficult to meet. (But Windows 8 doesn't meet it... 'nother story for 'nother day...)

my Canon Printer wont work properly in UBUNTU.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jebblue »

jarek wrote: post #229
sirclueless wrote: post #202

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I would argue that popularity is actually a great indicator of the quality of an OS and your experience with it. I am what you would consider an "expert" (or at least, I can definitely competently administer a linux computer) but I don't use linux distributions for day-to-day computing. The reason is that linux computers, even ones running "popular distros" such as Ubuntu, are considerably more prone to interoperabil…

> I would argue that popularity is actually a great indicator of the quality of an OS Windows is tons better than OS X then?

Windows, is widely distributed...not popular.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jebblue »

6d0debc071 wrote: post #192
claudius wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said that you should use Linux or Windows or Mac OS or iOS or whatever else you come up with. Use the product you feel is best suited to your task. If that is Windows, use Windows. Edit: That said, you will likely want someone knowledgeable around when setting up Windows or Mac OS X, too, so I don’t really get your point.

The last version I had any trouble with, by way of Windows, was 98 on a Tiny computer I had as a kid, mostly because of esoteric driver requirements. After that, it pretty much just worked. What do you think your average user is likely to do to it that would need them to go whistle for a sysadmin?

"help with windows", 2.5 Billion, with a "B", hits. Do not pretend 100% or even a large percentage of Windows users never need power user help at a minimum.
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