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Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by pm90 » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 6:45 PM UTC

takluyver wrote: post #140

TallGuyShort wrote: post #131

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While I agree that we should do everything we can to be user-friendly and not allow what I'm about to suggest to take the form of "elitism", I think we underplay the importance of helping the user understand the system. I think your typical user should understand SSL before they do online banking and shared libraries before they let their work rely entirely on their computer, in the same sense that I think you should…

We have abstraction layers precisely so that you can use things without understanding them. It's not just computers, every day we use all kinds of technology without properly knowing how it works. Of course, sometimes those abstractions are leaky, and we have to change a tire or apply an update. But suggesting that typical users should read up on SSL (and therefore asymmetric cryptography) before they use online bank…

The problem with the car analogy, as TallGuyShort points out, is that cars are not capable of having as strong an influence over our lives as computers are. When I think about how this used to be done before, usually finances were done over phone where people got to talk to other people who explained to them things that they did not understand.

I agree that learning about SSL is probably overkill; but we do need more computer literacy among the general population. Think of it like this: finance is something that is hard, yet people learn about the basics so that they can keep their money safe. Basic computer literacy should have a similar status as a skill that is required to, say, keep your information safe.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 6:46 PM UTC

iso8859-1 wrote: post #147

zikzikzik wrote: post #136

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Do you regularly use the pointing device with both hands?

How would you press Control-Alt-KeyLeft with less than both hands?

On a standard 104-key Windows-style keyboard (or the 101-key standard precursor, or anything with a generally similar layout), I'd use the right-side Ctrl, right-side Alt, and the Left arrow in the arrow key array (not the numeric pad). Should be pretty easy to one-hand even with fairly small hands.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by mindstab » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 6:46 PM UTC

jneen wrote: post #176

mindstab wrote: post #138

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"Actually, having a workaround by definition lessens the severity, as if someone wants to still run Skype, they can." I don't think everyone is on the same page about Ubuntu being a consumer distro and not a hacker's only distro... I have definitely noticed a decrease in the stability of Ubuntu releases over the years and it's attitudes like this that seem to be in part responsible for it. EDIT: Oh I kept reading, th…

Guys, Skype is owned by Microsoft, and the Linux version hasn't been touched in like 2 years. I'm frankly not surprised it's b0rked. So... yes, the user should use software that isn't deprecating support for their platform.

They are releasing steady updates for it. 4.1 came out Nov 2012. That's hardly 2 years. That's after the last Ubuntu release. And it's fully supported for the platform. What are you talking about?

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by kunai » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 6:48 PM UTC

mindstab wrote: post #180

mrinterweb wrote: post #177

Just a word of warning to anyone who may be thinking of installing this release on a MacBook Pro w/retina. I don't believe there is a window manager available that will play nicely with high DPI. I do hope that the linux community is planning on better supporting very high resolution displays. 13.04 works absolutely wonderfully, on my 2012 MacBook Air. Everything works perfectly for me on that machine.

How high resolution? My laptop looks great and works perfectly with Ubuntu @ 1920 x 1080. What doesn't work?

2880x1800. On a 15.4" screen, mind you...

As if that wasn't enough, the 13.3" version is 2560x1600. Which is completely insane.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by socksy » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 6:50 PM UTC

mindstab wrote: post #180

mrinterweb wrote: post #177

Just a word of warning to anyone who may be thinking of installing this release on a MacBook Pro w/retina. I don't believe there is a window manager available that will play nicely with high DPI. I do hope that the linux community is planning on better supporting very high resolution displays. 13.04 works absolutely wonderfully, on my 2012 MacBook Air. Everything works perfectly for me on that machine.

How high resolution? My laptop looks great and works perfectly with Ubuntu @ 1920 x 1080. What doesn't work?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_Display — we're talking in the order of 2880 x 1800 for a 15" screen and 2560 x 1600 for a 13" screen. Linux window managers react by making everything tiny, which is not ideal.

See http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=apple...

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by rictic » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 6:51 PM UTC

orangethirty wrote: post #168

mindstab wrote: post #138

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"Actually, having a workaround by definition lessens the severity, as if someone wants to still run Skype, they can." I don't think everyone is on the same page about Ubuntu being a consumer distro and not a hacker's only distro... I have definitely noticed a decrease in the stability of Ubuntu releases over the years and it's attitudes like this that seem to be in part responsible for it. EDIT: Oh I kept reading, th…

I once bought a laptop which ran Windows 7. The Wifi did not work due to their drivers being broken.

The correct move then is to return it.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by orangethirty » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 6:55 PM UTC

rictic wrote: post #186

orangethirty wrote: post #168

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I once bought a laptop which ran Windows 7. The Wifi did not work due to their drivers being broken.

The correct move then is to return it.

No. The correct move was to install Ubuntu, which had the correct drivers. Point being that all software has issues. More so if the software is as complicated as an OS with two releases per year.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by sutro » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 7:01 PM UTC

Have they gotten rid of Unity yet? No?

Pass.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by cgag » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 7:07 PM UTC

webreac wrote: post #90

kintamanimatt wrote: post #64

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It was buggy when Cinnamon was new, but now it's really quite stable and proves to be no more or less buggy than stock Ubuntu or any other distro. There were bizarre memory leaks in Cinnamon but those were fixed a long time ago. There is an ongoing issue with Mint Update, but I'm aware a patch has been submitted. In the meantime I just run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y && exit` every day. (For w…

Why switching to linux mint when you can replace unity by cinnamon while remaining on ubuntu ? Except the desktop, what are the compelling advantages ?

Doesn't Ubuntu insert amazon affiliate links into your search results while Mint doesn't, or was that removed? Or does Mint just do it as well?

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by alirov » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 7:11 PM UTC

Poiesis wrote: post #179

alirov wrote: post #135

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Have you tried using bumblebee[1]? I use it on my Samsung QX411 which has an NVidia GeForce GT 525M video card along with the onboard Intel. The Intel card is used by default at all times. If you want to run a program using the NVidia card, just prepend 'optirun' to the command. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee

I tried bumblebee it on 12.10, after unsuccessfully trying to install Nvidia drivers. It was...not a good experience. Ended up reinstalling 12.10 just to get Unity and a reasonable resolution back. I have no doubt that there was a fix (possibly involving xorg.conf editing) but I had already spent so much time it and I needed to get work done. Hopefully the new release is better here, but I don't hold much hope. I'm n…

I'm sure experiences vary greatly depending on the mix of hardware. I remember having to tweak some things to get bumblebee to work properly (or maybe I had to recompile from the source) but it's worked flawlessly since. This is on Ubuntu 12.04.

pkolaczk does bring up a good issue about the DisplayPort not working properly though. I don't use an external display on my laptop and have never played with that.

On another note, I remember installing 12.10 on my desktop right around the time it came out. My desktop has a Radeon HD3870 video card which was completely incompatible with Unity. I don't remember the issue exactly but my choice was either to use the open source drivers or have the desktop environment fail to show at all with ATI's drivers. I just did a search and I guess the fix is to downgrade X-Server and install a legacy driver. It's a shame something as central to the user experience as GUI performance still doesn't work out of the box or worse yet, critically breaks on an upgrade.