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Re: A new search engine

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How can they trademark the words "Liquid Helium"? The first search I did on Samuru was for Liquid Helium and it brought back about a half million results, all of which I assume are violating its purported trademark.

Re: A new search engine

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Re: your portrayal of how Google works...An "over simplification"? It's just plain wrong. Google has, for quite awhile, not depended on sites containing all the words of a query...and natural language processing plays a huge part in analyzing intent of a query. I applaud this ambitious project but I'm skeptical you'll achieve what you aim for if you're way off the mark in understanding how Google is so successful...I…

So you think Google knows if a piece of content is instructional? Or know that it is a Review? (not just has a rating) And you have to have all the words or a synonym of the words. But more importantly Google doesn't know what kind of content something is. Or what questions the content answers. Our system knows "this document answers what do aardvarks eat"

But more importantly Google doesn't know what kind of content something is. Or what questions the content answers.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Google may not know it explicitly but it can effectively know it, perhaps in some cases even better than the average human would if given the same search keys. It is the difference between knowing what a word means by the way people actually use it versus by looking it up in the dictionary.

Google essentially crowdsources its results, taking advantage of the fact that people entering similar queries probably have similar intentions. If your users are only using keywords, with little regard for word order, I don't see how you can do better than Google on average. You may do better for obscure queries where the best search result can not be easily inferred from the keywords present, but how pages are like this? Furthermore, if there are a set of keywords where semantic analysis suggests page A is the best result but the page that most people actually click on is page B, which do you return first? What if your index doesn't even have B? This will be challenge you will face when trying to do better than Google on average. Nevertheless, I applaud your work and will definitely keep Samuru at the ready for the queries that Google struggles on.

Re: A new search engine

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I will happily concede that you and your colleagues know more about search than I will ever know, and so I find it strange that we're having this argument...your perception of Google's limitations seems so far off that it's as if you've mistakenly referred to them instead of AltaVista. To answer your questions, yes and yes, Google can derive the meaning of my search without relying on literal interpretation of the se…

Your Google link gives me "Searching for couk best ribs ". The 10 results give me: 2 hits for boat related stuff, with no food. 4 hits for restaurants, with no recipes. 1 hit about cervical ribs. And then, in positions 5, 8, and 9 there are recipes. So, even with all the smart people and computing power at Google this is still a very hard problem. It's great to have different people trying different approaches.

I repeated the experiment and got different results than yours. (woot, science!)

http://imgur.com/ghYKH7K shows my results. I can't reproduce the ones you describe.

Regional variations might account for the differences. Do you live in a place where people don't eat ribs? (If so, please accept my sincere condolences)

Re: A new search engine

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two suggestions: - you need a favicon, so its possible to pull your site into an icon bar for bookmarking. - you need a search engine registration, so its possible to use it from search engine tab in browser

At least in Opera and Chromium you can simply right-click the search form to add it.

Re: A new search engine

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I didn't submit this. I didn't know anyone was submitting it. Or I would have written a post about why it is different than other search engines. Better is still up for grabs because it is new. Samuru doesn't use link authority, it analyzes pages and matches what you queried to the types of pages and picks the best matches. Let me give you an example. You search for "How to Make cupcakes" Google says give me the page…

I just searched for How to make cupcakes and the first three results were instructions of how to make a cupcake, including a video on youtube.

P.S.: I mistakenly typed HOT to make cupcakes

Re: A new search engine

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OK. My first try was to search for "plato dialogue concerning friendship". Google gave me the result I expected (a reference to the Lysis dialogue) through wikipedia and a bunch of articles about it (the most helpful being a link to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, ranked third). It didn't link the text though in the first page (it only appears in the third page of results, with a copy at the MIT Classics arc…

Counterpoint. I was surprised by it. A couple weeks ago I decided to start recording any search phrases which I felt were tricky or required good language modelling. " baby features kept in adulthood " is the only one I've thought worth recording so far. You can compare the results in Google, Bing, DDG. Only Samuru and Google have it on page 1. Samuru has it as the first result. But this is just one example so I can'…

Just for the record: I didn't want to sound dismissive of samuru. I actually think the results I had were not bad at all (the fact that it gave me a link to the lysis in the front page was great UX-wise, even though it is worth pointing out that samuru yields more results per-page than google). The case I pointed at was simply a case where I thought information could be gathered from the dataset that would lead to better results than those presented by samuru, or google (I also tested bing, but the results imho were poorer than google's).

"baby features kept in adulthood" is a weird one too. You are right samuru yields the best result in first place if one meant to get info on neoteny, but then, on first sight, it is the only relevant result in the first page. And the same thing happens with google.

Re: A new search engine

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Ghostery reminds me that this site runs Google Analytics, so the site founders apparently do trust Google for some services.

We run on Google AppEngine. So we use Google for a lot of things. Building all of the pieces that make google is more than 10 people can do in a year. We have 5 developers. And most of those only came in the last 6 months. We may build analytics, but it will be a while.

Re: A new search engine

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"Why Samuru" => Spelling suggestion : "Why Samurai" It's interesting, results are not so far from what I want. I'll give it a look for my next searchs.

Samuru was a samurai. Several Japanese anime characters are named Samuru and are samurai. It is also turkish for otter.
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