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Re: Why I have issues with Mark Zuckerberg’s FWD.us

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Post by kalms » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 8:45 AM UTC

cmccabe wrote: post #38

tl;dr: he has issues with FWD.us because he believes that letting in more skilled immigrants is unfair to people who are unskilled. He also has some vague concept that skilled immigrants take jobs away from uneducated Americans. Because, you know, hiring 10 high school drop outs can totally replace one foreign PhD whom you can't hire because of immigration bullshit.

I believe he is trying to say: What is one million, in the face of the starvation of 40 mio?

I think he is wrong about this premise, since this 1 million people could help create jobs, and feed even more people (service industry, etc). Like others said: It's important for these people to focus on the game they know, and that's mostly information and technology.

Re: Why I have issues with Mark Zuckerberg’s FWD.us

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Post by onedev » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 8:50 AM UTC

dsl wrote: post #3

I find it interesting that Facebook wont hire a kid with a degree from a community college here in the US, but will fight tooth and nail to hire someone with a degree from an Indian college that Mark probably couldn't pronounce the name of.

That's simply not true. Facebook will hire anyone who they think is awesome and shows promise. There are many people that work at Facebook who don't even have a degree (the CEO for one...). The culture comes from the top, and Mark recognizes that you don't necessarily need to have a degree to be awesome at what you do because of his own experiences.

In fact, a friend of mine quit college after his Freshman year to go work at FB. He has no degree.

Re: Why I have issues with Mark Zuckerberg’s FWD.us

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Post by OGinparadise » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 9:28 AM UTC

potatolicious wrote: post #32

OGinparadise wrote: post #31

Across America, creative, hardworking people in coffee shops, dorm rooms and garages are creating the next era of growth. Let’s embrace our future as a knowledge economy and help them — and all of us — reach our full potential. Mark is talking his own book, he wants an unlimited number of cheap engineers from third world countries. Also a "knowledge economy" sounds great until it isn't. A lot like http://en.wikipedia…

I keep hearing about the supposed cheapassery of Silicon Valley, but I simply do not see it. Speaking for myself, I've been able to achieve ~20% raises every single year since I left college by leveraging the explosion in tech salaries. I do not believe I am grossly exceptional by any means. I am out-earning most finance-industry coders (though obviously not bankers). I just don't see it. When it comes to writing cod…

But don't let me get in the way of a convenient narrative, where the only purpose of immigration is the exploitation and oppression of hard-working Americans by evil corporations.

Of course not, they really care about the 18 year old Mexican or Guatemalan busboy that came across the border at 12.

I've never met one that was cheap - every single one earned comfortably into the mid-$100Ks and were worth every penny. That's irrelevant, no where is it written that mid $100K is "not cheap," supply and demand. Google, I read, nets around $1 million from an employee.

My point is that companies usually want students from top schools, pay them as little as they can, hire them young and kinda drop them into their late thirties and then complain that we have no workers. It's a nation of 300 million people: some education reform, pre-work training maybe, giving others a chance etc can go a long way.

Re: Why I have issues with Mark Zuckerberg’s FWD.us

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Post by flyinRyan » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 12:42 PM UTC

fyi80 wrote: post #30

johnnyb9 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Leading experts on the STEM workforce, including Richard Freeman of Harvard, Michael Teitelbaum of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, Paula Stephan of Georgia State University, Hal Salzman of Rutgers, Lindsay Lowell of Georgetown, and Norman Matloff of the University of California-Davis, have said for years that the US produces ample numbers of excellent science students. In fact, according to the National Science Boar…

Figure 3-12 on http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind08/figures.htm#ch3 says that only 10% are involuntarily not employed in their field.

Why would 1% be involuntarily unemployed in their field if their field needs workers? Before we seek to import talent shouldn't we use up the local supply?

Re: Why I have issues with Mark Zuckerberg’s FWD.us

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Post by flyinRyan » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 12:47 PM UTC

potatolicious wrote: post #32

OGinparadise wrote: post #31

Across America, creative, hardworking people in coffee shops, dorm rooms and garages are creating the next era of growth. Let’s embrace our future as a knowledge economy and help them — and all of us — reach our full potential. Mark is talking his own book, he wants an unlimited number of cheap engineers from third world countries. Also a "knowledge economy" sounds great until it isn't. A lot like http://en.wikipedia…

I keep hearing about the supposed cheapassery of Silicon Valley, but I simply do not see it. Speaking for myself, I've been able to achieve ~20% raises every single year since I left college by leveraging the explosion in tech salaries. I do not believe I am grossly exceptional by any means. I am out-earning most finance-industry coders (though obviously not bankers). I just don't see it. When it comes to writing cod…

Care to provide some numbers? mid-$100Ks is the only thing you showed and that's a pretty low salary to me unless you're fresh out of college (or in a fly-over state, by why would you be :)

Re: Why I have issues with Mark Zuckerberg’s FWD.us

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Post by namityadav » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 4:43 PM UTC

dsl wrote: post #3

I find it interesting that Facebook wont hire a kid with a degree from a community college here in the US, but will fight tooth and nail to hire someone with a degree from an Indian college that Mark probably couldn't pronounce the name of.

Why should "Can I pronounce the name of the college?" be a factor in who is the right candidate for a job?

Re: Why I have issues with Mark Zuckerberg’s FWD.us

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Post by midwest » Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 1:37 AM UTC

MarK Z is and his Friends are for low wages paid to out of country workers, look up some headlines in the past few months about microsoft, They only want out of country workers for low wages, what makes me sick is these companies are prospering bookoo bucks and they are not concerned about the thousands of unemployed american workers who have earned twice, maybe three times as much wages in the past before the pink slip and economy slip in tech, look at all the cool miners, auto workers etc also that could use some training to help these tech co. out. Mark Z and his friends just want to pay low wages to immigrants and forget about hiring or training americans- This Fwd.us is sooo antiamerican it sucks, American Businesses and Proprieters-Do Not advertise on their sites and do not utilize their services-They are not For Immigration and they are not For Americans, They are for their selfish selves. For those that won't help the economy or the unemployed, there will be those that pop of like bad weeds that do, there will be a shift change no doubt!