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Ask HN: How do hackers make friends?

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Re: Ask HN: How do hackers make friends?

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Where are you located? I can relate to how you feel. I was like that for few years until I finally find few close friends (not long ago).. Sometimes, I even think finding a good friends depend on luck.. Are you freshman at your university? When I was in my first year, I was very lonely as well. Anyways, add me on gtalk.

Hi, unfortunately I'm located in New York state. I am a freshman.

There is a small chance you attend the same university I do. If you do, message me (FB, twitter, email... I don't care). I'd be happy to grab a coffee or something.

Re: Ask HN: How do hackers make friends?

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I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that it's a good thing to be lonely.

Some background: I'm fifteen years old, have but one friend, and never attend any parties or the like. I spend most of my time banging out code in front of my laptop.

Is it lonely? Certainly. Does it feel crushing, unbearably melancholy? Yes, it does. But I love it. You have so much time for productivity, so much time to do things you love, rather than having that time spent whilst pandering to the whims of others.

No girlfriend. No best friend. I tend to keep my distance. Ulcerative colitis doesn't help my cause much. But being social is something I see as a thing of my past. It's replaceable. Sporadic.

Learn to love loneliness. It's the only thing that will consistently love you back.

Re: Ask HN: How do hackers make friends?

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I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that it's a good thing to be lonely. Some background: I'm fifteen years old, have but one friend, and never attend any parties or the like. I spend most of my time banging out code in front of my laptop. Is it lonely? Certainly. Does it feel crushing, unbearably melancholy? Yes, it does. But I love it. You have so much time for productivity, so much time to do things yo…

Not to be pedantic or anything, but I wouldn't necessarily expect a 15 year old to have had a girlfriend or have gone to parties in the past. But as you grow older, the desire to have a girlfriend only increases, it doesn't decrease.

While it is good to be someone who doesn't mind loneliness (as I am), I long ago understood that human relationships are incredibly important and powerful. Opportunities present themselves to you through other people. The most enjoyable experiences in my life have involved other people.

The ironic thing is that if you ever freelance - the epitome of not talking to other people (because you get to work from home all day), your "network" becomes even more important than ever, because that is how you get new work opportunities. And unless you want to be condemned to forever having to apply to jobs through an application process (hint: highest chances of getting rejected), social relationships matter.

I cannot tell you how many times people remembered me and thought I was an interesting person (and the opportunities that presented themselves through these associations) simply because I come off as very articulate, opinionated, and curious. The mechanistic "trick" to doing that is to keep asking people questions and then run a "pattern matching" algorithm whereby you see if anything you know or any stories you know relate to their answer, and then you relay that back in your reply.

Again, I don't want to be a downer, but as you grow older, social relationships only increase in importance. The ironic thing is that as its importance increases, the surface area of opportunities for new social relationships decreases.

Re: Ask HN: How do hackers make friends?

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I've always been in that weird zone that I could go out partying with the cool kids.. but never enjoyed it. Going into a club and I'd always ask myself "Why the fuck am I here, I hate this place.". And that's my only regret.. I should have spent more time in the "Linux group" or hacker meetups. This is the folks I always liked and had fun being with. Why am I telling you this? Because screw the apparences. If you like design, UX, and have been diagnosed with Asperger's (I'm definitely a bit aspergers too!), well, you should definitely hit more UX / design / hacker clubs. Working on a cool project and giving a talk of it definitely help to spark discussions.

Also, it's not in the quantity. Find a good team to start working on cool projects, and they'll soon be your best friends. Don't force it, just be yourself and try to be nice.

One last suggestion: Offer yourself as a volunteer for events that you care about! Not only you'll get to meet awesome people, but you'll also have some privileged moments with well-known speakers and organizers.

Re: Ask HN: How do hackers make friends?

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Go to your local 2600 meeting.

Or, find a volunteer group; they all need computer people.

Then expand your role to something that requires people interaction.

Otherwise, you'll get the mushroom treatment: they'll keep you in the dark and feed you cow feces.

Either way, you'll get to practice socializing, which is a skill like any other (think of it as learning to code recursively) and get to meet some new people, some of whom might become friends.

Re: Ask HN: How do hackers make friends?

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I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that it's a good thing to be lonely. Some background: I'm fifteen years old, have but one friend, and never attend any parties or the like. I spend most of my time banging out code in front of my laptop. Is it lonely? Certainly. Does it feel crushing, unbearably melancholy? Yes, it does. But I love it. You have so much time for productivity, so much time to do things yo…

As much as I respect your spirit, you are missing out on so much of the world.

I was you once. I worked, alone, in my little bubble for four of my teenage years. It was great, I learned a large chunk of what makes me a good developer, but a lesson - there are times where productivity should be secondary.

People are the spice of life, they color the world, they give it flavor and texture and reason. The right people make those crushing moments bearable, and gently mock you when you achieve greatness because they knew you when you were nothing more than a laptop and bundles wide-eyed optimism.

There is nothing more liberating than the feeling of having someone know you, really know you, and know them back. It gives you this intuitive ability to look into them and know what they are thinking as if it were a sense, like touch or smell or taste.

People hurt, they snarl and they wound, but the right people are so impossibly worth it. It's just a matter of finding the right people, and that's something a lifetime of happiness, pain, disappointment and kindness will give you.

Don't change, but don't resign yourself to a life of solitude. I'm just a preachy comment on a preachy website you could click a little x on to close in a second, but try to embrace the silly things the world throws at you, set some time aside to stop working and just be.

J

Re: Ask HN: How do hackers make friends?

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It's hard. I'm not sure what to say, and can't promise to be an authority, but here goes. I've always felt like I have very few __friends__, and many friendly acquaintances. I'm not sure I can tell you how to make them: in some cases it was as simple as finding another nerdy kid with whom to talk about things (computers, math, puzzles, chess), and in others my close friend said, "This is ___.", and at some point (yea…

Thanks so much for your response. I guess I've been thinking if I was "inherently awesome" that people would want to hang out with me. Sadly I'm not the best at empathy and showing that I care about people. I'm thinking about asking someone I sit next to and talk to in my math class every week if they'd like to hang out some time, since at least that shows that I care to a certain extent.

Here's a tip that's worked well for me. Avoid asking "Would you like to hang out sometime?" The reason being that it is easy for the person to say "yes" but never act on it.

Instead, make it easy to convert their "yes" into an actual activity by arranging the activity before asking them. There are two ways to do this:

1) "Hey, I'm planning on seeing Jurassic Park 3D on Friday, would you like to join me?"

2) "Are you planning on doing anything fun this weekend?" (if they respond with some activity that you're interested in) "Oh, that sounds cool, would it be cool if I tagged along?"

Obviously you can replace seeing a movie in option (1) with any interesting activity. The key in both of these cases is that you make sure you have concrete plans to actually do the activity. If they agree, offer to call them to meet up at a convenient time/location.

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