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Gitmo Is Killing Me

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Post by facorreia »

serf wrote: post #191
facorreia wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not the kind of content I come to Hacker News for.

the article, or the opinion espoused by the commenter you replied to? In other words, you come to HN for one aspect of the Political world , and not all of them? Myself, I don't come to HN for ANYTHING in this thread. It's all interesting, in it's own right, but has little to do with 'hacking'. But, then again, civil liberties are a set of issues that can broadly affect us all.. maybe that was the grand position of w…

I meant political content. Thank you for your reply.

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Post by zethraeus »

scrapcode wrote: post #233

I know for a fact that much of these claims are completely wrong and, being told by a detainee, are completely biased. Detainee's that refuse meals are required to receive their nutrients in liquid form. They have the option to drink this themselves. When they refuse, they are put in the feeding chair which restrains their arms, legs, and waist. It does not restrain a detainees head whatsoever. When a detainee refuse…

Publicity for their situation - which is terrible.

A prisoner's attempt to get publicity does not influence the morality or legality of practices at Guantanamo Bay.

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Post by crag »

Locke1689 wrote: post #51
mattstreet wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I think he could put a bit more public pressure on them then. I really don't hear him bringing it up too often.

It's in his comments on every appropriations bill. You just don't care. Let's all be honest: we don't think about Guantanamo. When people bring it up we'll hem and haw and say, "gee, that's just terrible," but we don't give a shit. Take it out of the spotlight and it may as well not exist.

Yep. Most Americans have the attention span of a gnat. Plenty of us care, we just get distracted by other things. And that's the point really. The government wants us distracted. It's called Negative Liberty.

Most who read that article wil be outraged. They'll share it on FB. And forget it by Friday when the net big movie, sport event, or parade comes along.

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Post by ucee054 »

scrapcode wrote: post #233

I know for a fact that much of these claims are completely wrong and, being told by a detainee, are completely biased. Detainee's that refuse meals are required to receive their nutrients in liquid form. They have the option to drink this themselves. When they refuse, they are put in the feeding chair which restrains their arms, legs, and waist. It does not restrain a detainees head whatsoever. When a detainee refuse…

Yeah it's for their own good, the same way Bradley Manning had to be naked in his cell for his own good. Yeah right .

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Post by pekk »

lifeformed wrote: post #110
vxNsr wrote: post #76

I think the most important part about this OpEd is the comments appearing here and elsewhere: Lots of righteous indignation for this poor fellow who claims that he's completely innocent of any charges brought against him and if he could only talk to someone they would understand. He feels the need to kill himself to prove a point, such conviction. What do they say about a prisoner and his crime? oh yeah: there's no s…

It doesn't matter if he's guilty or not, he could be Hitler for all I care. He should be charged and tried, not tortured for 10 years.

Being in prison is not the same as being tortured.

You may be thinking of Abu Ghraib

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Post by white_devil »

Locke1689 wrote: post #34
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #17

Gitmo was the first thing that clued me that I had made a mistake voting for Obama's promises (not that McCain would have ever gotten it instead!). It was such a complete reversal that I immediately knew his promises were completely worthless. I appreciate that there may be anger outs people in Gitmo, but they have every right to a trial I have. The double standard of what human rights mean if you are a US citizen an…

The problem is that to close Guantanamo, you need funding to a least move the prisoners to another facility. Introducing them to the justice system would require the same. As every American should know, Congress holds the purse strings here and has denied said request. The President has no power here.

> The problem is that to close Guantanamo, you need funding to a least move the prisoners to another facility

You need funding to keep Gitmo going too. I seriously doubt that would be a problem.

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Post by pekk »

Zak wrote: post #36
tamersalama wrote: post #20

As a non-American - can I ask an American to submit a white-house petition. Perhaps as a form of the least that can be done.

It's been tried. Somebody should probably try again. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/close-guantanamo-d...

That's not a formal petition, it's a post on a website

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Post by rapind »

tpainton wrote: post #194
hmottestad wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On days like these the US is Guantanamo Bay. The US is poverty and regular people without a home. The US is bad health care, as in only the rich can afford it. The US is drones, fired at civilians in the dead of night. The US is oil, as in that they want it all. The US is guns, like the ones likely to be pointed at you if you get robbed. The US is x-rays at the airport. And finally, the US is the land of the free.

The US is the computer and internet that complete you.

Is there no way you could have a computer and internet and yet still respect human rights? Or is it really all or nothing?

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Post by mseebach »

hmottestad wrote: post #138
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #17

Gitmo was the first thing that clued me that I had made a mistake voting for Obama's promises (not that McCain would have ever gotten it instead!). It was such a complete reversal that I immediately knew his promises were completely worthless. I appreciate that there may be anger outs people in Gitmo, but they have every right to a trial I have. The double standard of what human rights mean if you are a US citizen an…

On days like these the US is Guantanamo Bay. The US is poverty and regular people without a home. The US is bad health care, as in only the rich can afford it. The US is drones, fired at civilians in the dead of night. The US is oil, as in that they want it all. The US is guns, like the ones likely to be pointed at you if you get robbed. The US is x-rays at the airport. And finally, the US is the land of the free.

Yes, you're right. The US is not perfect, which makes it exactly like a prison full of extraordinarily rendered un-tried suspects.

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Post by pekk »

jchimney wrote: post #33

In Canada we remember with shame the WW2 Japanese internment camps. Gitmo will be this generations great shame. Marriage equalization, and reasonable pot legislation are happening... But gitmo remains a black mark. Due process should not be malleable.

Did you know that due process was violated in WW2 and WWI and many other major wars?
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