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Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by bjustin »

mtct wrote: post #277
blhack wrote: post #114

You guys in this thread whining about google: It isn't google that has changed, it is the whole world which has changed. Look at the things that some of you champion; the iPhone, the iPad...anything running iOS, anything made by apple computer, the company that is pushing the hardest against openness on the internet. Oh, you want some basic browser functionality like uploading files? Spend time learning objective C,…

> If a little bit of annoying google+ talk is the price that humanity has to pay for things like google driverless cars, google glass, and google fiber FINALLY holding bandwidth providers to task on bringing fiber to the curb, then GOOD. Driverless cars and Internet fiber to the curb aren't Google inventions.

That's a silly argument; you don't have to be the first to do something to be the first to make a difference with it. See: the computer GUI, Google's search engine, Apple's iPod, Apple's iPhone, etc.

Google Fiber is certainly a big deal at 3-8x as fast as the fastest generally available consumer connection. Comcast only goes up to 150-300mbps in their fastest markets, for much more than the $70/month Google Fiber costs.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by marcosdumay »

return0 wrote: post #274
blhack wrote: post #114

You guys in this thread whining about google: It isn't google that has changed, it is the whole world which has changed. Look at the things that some of you champion; the iPhone, the iPad...anything running iOS, anything made by apple computer, the company that is pushing the hardest against openness on the internet. Oh, you want some basic browser functionality like uploading files? Spend time learning objective C,…

This guy is right. A lot of it has to do with the demise of the PC too. You can't build a Napster on underpowered and severely restrictive phones and tablets, so the net is increasingly becoming the new cable TV. However, by design, the internet is not destined to be like that, and it will not be. The past few years may have been an aberration.

Well, the phones and tablets get less underpowered and restrictive each day.

Current phones are way more powerfull than PCs were when Napster was launched. They could easily run something like it today. As they are also powerfull enough to decide what to do with meta tags (or the more modern semantic ones) and to keep several dictionaries of data in place. They just don't do that for marketing reasons.

I also think that things CAN change, but I doubt that change is that inevitable as you say.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by tomkarlo »

lxst wrote: post #276
tomkarlo wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How, in any way, did they "sabotage open standards like RSS"? That's a pretty broad statement to throw out there - that Google is somehow undermining the open standards process. I'd argue it's done better than other companies, including Apple and Microsoft, in supporting open standards.

One example would be Calendar. First they announce that they retire EAS for CalDav. A few month later they announce that CalDAV will be deprecated and only available for selected developers and other services should use the proprietary Google calendar API. Which is kinda sad as Google could have really improved CalDAV with their move. Now it is back to "walled garden".

While I think that pattern sucks, I'm not sure that "not supporting" a standard constitutes "sabotaging" it. There's a big gap between "promoting" and "destroying/undermining", it's not either-or. Saying Google "sabotaged" a standard implies that they somehow made it unusable for everyone.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by tomkarlo »

solarflair wrote: post #314
a_p wrote: post #190

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THe RSS button is still available. Just click Nightly -> Options -> Toolbar Layout and drag the RSS button onto the toolbar.

The key word here is "default."

If something makes no sense to 90% of users it probably shouldn't be a default, it should be an option.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by throwawayG9 »

jonathansizz wrote: post #363
throwawayG9 wrote: post #337

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I stopped using all of their products about a year and a half, thank you very much. And I never looked back, I feel safer than ever, I'm not being tracked all the time, I own my data, and I will never have to fear again being banned for no reason or having a service shut down overnight and losing all of my data. I can do whatever I want.

So you don't use the web anymore?

The web wasn't born with Google, and is not going to end if it goes away. I use the web everyday, I can't live without it. I learned half of everything I know thanks to it, and with that knowledge I'm now working from home, earning more than any of my friends. I recommend you to try to replace the services you use one by one, until there is only one big step left to make, and that's it. You can be free again after that (or for the first time, if you are very young and have always used google products).

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by tomkarlo »

jacquesm wrote: post #377
angryasian wrote: post #376

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whats wrong with society where we don't want to tell someone constructive criticism or positive feedback like it was a face to face conversation except online ?

What's wrong with receiving valuable information without being able to ascertain who sent it to you?

Information you can't trust because the source is suspect is significantly less valuable. See: spamming on Yelp and Amazon reviews.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by tomkarlo »

rimantas wrote: post #288
krichman wrote: post #278

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Hello. I don't have any strong pro-Google feelings. I used to really like Apple. iOS is only good for people that want something which works and which they don't need to spend any effort on maintaining. It is a complete joke for people that want a powerful mobile computing device. I use an iPhone now but my next phone will be an Android. To be honest I'll probably continue to buy iPod Touches as long as they can be j…

Yes iOS is for people who want to do something on their devices, android is for people who want to do something to their devices. Like a car owner who knows how to drive, but is not a mechanic and car owner who is a mechanic and spends days in the garage tweaking the engine instead of driving. Guess which one drives more. Maybe that explains disparity between the market share and web usage stats for iOS and Android.

The fact you can customize Android doesn't mean that you have to. The default Nexus OS is fine right out of the box, and generally reviewed as comparable to iOS. Just because you have the option to work on your car doesn't mean you have to.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by [deleted] »

angryasian wrote: post #376
criley wrote: post #359

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Reply to myself: If you're an Android dev, sorry I've never rated your apps, left comments or gotten ahold of you! The Play Store REQUIRES a fully activated real-name Google+ Account to rate apps and leave feedback, so I've been wholly unable to communicate with the dozens and dozens of apps that request feedback. Sorry friends. Blame Google!

whats wrong with society where we don't want to tell someone constructive criticism or positive feedback like it was a face to face conversation except online ?

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Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by Crikey83 »

To those who are bitching about reduced privacy on the WWW, take a look at the world we live in....kids as young as 11 taking their own life due to being bullied on FailBook, low life scumbags sharing child pornography, the same scum using the web to find their next prey. If you have something to hide then build your own WWW. Quit bitching about "it's not the same Google", everything you have ever done on the WWW has been monitored, cencorsed and/or recorded. Get your game face bitches, because in 20 years Google will be able to tell you what time you took a crap and the exact portions of food it took to produce that turd!

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by mieubrisse »

o0-0o wrote: post #196
nano111 wrote: post #139

Google is also starting to screw with the search results ... personalized search results for example... Maybe Mozilla should start a search engine

In order to get truly relevant search results, I have to log out of Google. I really don't think they know what I want to find, and likely never will.

If you don't like it (as neither you nor I do), then turn it off. Start a search, go to the "Search Settings" in the top right corner, then "Do not use personal search results".
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