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Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by gurkendoktor »

gkoberger wrote: post #6
kunai wrote: post #2

Google has overstayed the web's welcome. What started out as a quirky, innovative company that bucked all of the suit-and-tie trends (see Microsoft, HP, even Apple in some regards) of Silicon Valley, has now turned into a monstrous calamity with no regard for its users. Up until 2009, it was breezy and beautiful, but right now, at this moment, it's a different story altogether. Don't be evil? Pfeh. The only thing lef…

Overstayed the web's welcome? I'm not convinced that's happened yet. I certainly don't disagree with your points, but it's moot. Normal users don't care about things like "privacy" or "neutrality" or "standards". If it works and is free, that's good enough. And the page views Google gets is testament to the fact that nobody outside of the HN-esque world has any issues with Google. Heck, I (and most people here) use G…

> And the page views Google gets is testament to the fact that nobody outside of the HN-esque world has any issues with Google.

And every car on the road is a testament to the fact that nobody outside of Greenpeace has any issues with the oil industry? :) There is no good alternative to Google Search.

In my social circles in Germany, only HN-esque people use Google's other products like GMail, many don't use FB either for privacy concerns. I'd even say that distrust in Google is one of the factors that Germans strongly favour Firefox over Google (according to http://gs.statcounter.com). And that's just one country... User groups are more complex than HN/non HN.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by wilfra »

GFischer wrote: post #103
lawdawg wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must have missed all of this outrage over Android, Chrome, GMail, Docs + Drive, Adwords, Analytics, etc, etc. To be honest, I'm really glad Google finally pulled the plug on Reader instead of letting it rot to death. It's opened up the market for companies who will really focus on it. The same with iGoogle, which will be replaced by a much better "Google Now"-ish product.

Maybe you missed it, but searching here in Hacker News, you'll find it creeping along. PLENTY of complaints In my personal case: Android - bugs that stay open for years (my own post from a year ago is unresolved, and it affects all Spanish-speaking Android users https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4532596 ) Chrome: other than it displaying advertising, I haven't heard much bad about Chrome https://news.ycombinator.c…

tl;dr 'i'm mad and can name at least one thing i don't like about every Google product'

one could make a similar list about every popular product - online or offline. nothing pleases everybody all the time at scale.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by pseut »

azakai wrote: post #93
jmillikin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chrome never implemented RSS auto discovery. Chrome has an official extension for RSS auto-discovery: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rss-subscription-e... The Chrome team argues that not enough people use RSS to justify having an icon in the URL bar by default. I personally think this is somewhat circular reasoning ("People don't use RSS, so we won't show an icon letting them know about RSS"), but sadly…

> sadly other browsers such as Firefox have followed their lead and removed RSS notifications by default. ? I am on Firefox, no addons, and I have a menu item Bookmarks->Subscribe to this page which detects RSS/Atom.

There used to be an icon in the address bar letting you know the website has an RSS feed and that's been removed from Firefox.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by blhack »

You guys in this thread whining about google:

It isn't google that has changed, it is the whole world which has changed.

Look at the things that some of you champion; the iPhone, the iPad...anything running iOS, anything made by apple computer, the company that is pushing the hardest against openness on the internet. Oh, you want some basic browser functionality like uploading files? Spend time learning objective C, writing an app, submitting it to us (can't let anything edgy get through! Don't use any APIs we don't like!) and then selling it in our closed off app store so that people stay in our warm walled in garden of shiny plastic.

You talk about "growth hackers" or "hustlers" as if these people are anything but parasites on our creative culture.

Yeah, google does some shitty things. Google+ is obnoxious. Some of the stuff happening with youtube is obnoxious, but google remains as one of the coolest companies in the world, still funding the coolest things in the world just because they can.

If a little bit of annoying google+ talk is the price that humanity has to pay for things like google driverless cars, google glass, and google fiber FINALLY holding bandwidth providers to task on bringing fiber to the curb, then GOOD.

I will continue to take that deal. The people whining about google+ will too.

Oh hey! You know we could just give it all back.

Back goes chrome! Remember when firefox leaked memory like a sieve but we all STILL ran it because there wasn't a viable alternative (unless you were double super extra hip and ran Opera)

Back goes android! Enjoy choosing between Apples complete joke of a mobile operating system and RIM, or palm.

Back goes google glass! Maybe Microsoft will sink the money required into developing a viable headmounted display.

Back goes google cars! Oh! Maybe Mercedes will license some garbage developed by a defense contractor in the 90s and sell it on their most expensive luxury cars.

Reading this thread reads like I'm reading the comments of a bunch of spoiled children.

If you seriously hate google+ this much, then good! Use all of these wonderful, world changing tools we have around us and "hustle" and "growth hack" your way into a brand new web browser and suite of free mail, spam filtering, document storage, and search.

I look forward to see it!

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by [deleted] »

azakai wrote: post #93
jmillikin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chrome never implemented RSS auto discovery. Chrome has an official extension for RSS auto-discovery: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rss-subscription-e... The Chrome team argues that not enough people use RSS to justify having an icon in the URL bar by default. I personally think this is somewhat circular reasoning ("People don't use RSS, so we won't show an icon letting them know about RSS"), but sadly…

> sadly other browsers such as Firefox have followed their lead and removed RSS notifications by default. ? I am on Firefox, no addons, and I have a menu item Bookmarks->Subscribe to this page which detects RSS/Atom.

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Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by [deleted] »

azakai wrote: post #93
jmillikin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chrome never implemented RSS auto discovery. Chrome has an official extension for RSS auto-discovery: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rss-subscription-e... The Chrome team argues that not enough people use RSS to justify having an icon in the URL bar by default. I personally think this is somewhat circular reasoning ("People don't use RSS, so we won't show an icon letting them know about RSS"), but sadly…

> sadly other browsers such as Firefox have followed their lead and removed RSS notifications by default. ? I am on Firefox, no addons, and I have a menu item Bookmarks->Subscribe to this page which detects RSS/Atom.

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Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by jmillikin »

azakai wrote: post #93
jmillikin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chrome never implemented RSS auto discovery. Chrome has an official extension for RSS auto-discovery: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rss-subscription-e... The Chrome team argues that not enough people use RSS to justify having an icon in the URL bar by default. I personally think this is somewhat circular reasoning ("People don't use RSS, so we won't show an icon letting them know about RSS"), but sadly…

> sadly other browsers such as Firefox have followed their lead and removed RSS notifications by default. ? I am on Firefox, no addons, and I have a menu item Bookmarks->Subscribe to this page which detects RSS/Atom.

Firefox used to have an RSS icon in the address bar when a page referenced an RSS feed. This was an easy way to notify the user that a particular page supported RSS.

The icon was removed in Firefox 4, causing much annoyance among people who use RSS (c.f. http://www.webmonkey.com/2011/01/firefox-4-ditches-the-rss-b... )

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by kunai »

blantonl wrote: post #107
kunai wrote: post #2

Google has overstayed the web's welcome. What started out as a quirky, innovative company that bucked all of the suit-and-tie trends (see Microsoft, HP, even Apple in some regards) of Silicon Valley, has now turned into a monstrous calamity with no regard for its users. Up until 2009, it was breezy and beautiful, but right now, at this moment, it's a different story altogether. Don't be evil? Pfeh. The only thing lef…

Don't be evil? Pfeh. Google is a publicly traded company (Stock Ticker: NASDAQ: GOOG) The demands of the shareholders and board of directors outweighs the expectations of Google's users and business partners.

That has not stopped Apple.

Going public does not mean you abandon the ideals your company was founded on.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by spoiler »

wilfra wrote: post #112
GFischer wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you missed it, but searching here in Hacker News, you'll find it creeping along. PLENTY of complaints In my personal case: Android - bugs that stay open for years (my own post from a year ago is unresolved, and it affects all Spanish-speaking Android users https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4532596 ) Chrome: other than it displaying advertising, I haven't heard much bad about Chrome https://news.ycombinator.c…

tl;dr 'i'm mad and can name at least one thing i don't like about every Google product' one could make a similar list about every popular product - online or offline. nothing pleases everybody all the time at scale.

I think I know how to Google. I never had any problems with Google products. I use Gmail, Analytics, Google+, YouTube, Chrome, Android and it all works bloody perfectly, and I am not even a Google supremacist.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by mercutio2 »

omegaham wrote: post #85
philwelch wrote: post #49

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Mean correlates with stupid. More stupid people watch TV than read. YouTube is TV.

It's a little bit more complicated than that. Every smart person I know browses Youtube. Youtube isn't like a TV network; most videos are only a few minutes long, so it's not inherently a timesuck the way that watching an hour long drama is. The difference is that because Youtube has no moderation in its comments, smart people look at the comments and immediately decide that it's not worth their time. So, the only pe…

Really? Why in the world would they do that? Effectively zero of the smart people I know browse YouTube.

Most of my programmer friends listen to podcasts, but I honestly have no idea what smart people do with YouTube.

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