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Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by mtreis86 » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 12:24 PM UTC

jcbrand wrote: post #257

olliesaunders wrote: post #152

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Nah, switch to DuckDuckGo and Firefox please :)

People don't seem to be aware of https://startpage.com/ They anonymize your search data and then send it off to Google search. I tried DDG a few times, and as much as I want to like it, their search results weren't as good as Google's.

Are you aware of the different way to input your search they (ddg) use? They prioritize your search based on the order you input words. After realizing that, I can find almost everything from there. And if not you can use their !bang syntax to continue the same search in whatever other search engine you like. Google won't link me to a bing search. But ddg will. If I search "search engine best rated" and do not see results I am looking for I just ad "!g" or "!b" to it and it takes you right into the results of that search for google or bing. How is that not more effective?

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by cbr » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 12:25 PM UTC

tomkarlo wrote: post #146

kaoD wrote: post #78

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Well, I've had difficulty opting out, and new Google accounts are linked to Google+ by default. E.g.: I have an Android phone and I would like to rate a scam app so people don't download it. Oops, it's not possible without a Google+ account. See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5535556

While you may not want to comment on Google Play apps publicly, there's a lot of value for other users in being able to see what their actual friends said about an app rather than just random anonymous commenters. (And we've seen the issues on places like Amazon with ratings spamming.) It's just reality that some features may benefit the larger population but might not be to your taste - obviously every feature can't…

"we've seen the issues on places like Amazon with ratings spamming"

My experience with Amazon ratings is that they've been accurate and useful. If there's a spam problem Amazon is dealing with it well, without requiring "real names" or social connections.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by pyre » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 12:28 PM UTC

devcpp wrote: post #263

clobber wrote: post #238

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http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Crazy, huh?

Oh come on, even Microsoft has their "open source" website: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/openness/default.aspx This is marketing bullshit directed at developers angry at all their surveillance, their walled gardens, their "you can't replace our OS" and so on.

You do realize that Apple's Open Source site has been around prior to "all their surveillance, their walled gardens?" Or are you trying to claim that Apple was creating PR for the eventual iPhone fallout back in 2001/2002?

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by solarflair » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 12:28 PM UTC

a_p wrote: post #190

azakai wrote: post #93

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> sadly other browsers such as Firefox have followed their lead and removed RSS notifications by default. ? I am on Firefox, no addons, and I have a menu item Bookmarks->Subscribe to this page which detects RSS/Atom.

THe RSS button is still available. Just click Nightly -> Options -> Toolbar Layout and drag the RSS button onto the toolbar.

The key word here is "default."

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by josteink » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 12:30 PM UTC

kunai wrote: post #122

blhack wrote: post #114

You guys in this thread whining about google: It isn't google that has changed, it is the whole world which has changed. Look at the things that some of you champion; the iPhone, the iPad...anything running iOS, anything made by apple computer, the company that is pushing the hardest against openness on the internet. Oh, you want some basic browser functionality like uploading files? Spend time learning objective C,…

There is nothing Google Glass does that my smartphone already can't. And how is Apple waging war against openness? WebKit is open-source. They're pushing HTML5 against Flash (open vs proprietary). Darwin (OS X without Quartz and DPS) is open source. A few of the apps included with OS X are open-source. Google cars? Driverless car research has been going on for years, both before and alongside Google. Look, I'm not ba…

> And how is Apple waging war against openness?

Lawsuits against competitors kicking their ass using open platforms? That and making their every single a move a walled garden you have to use with no other options.

I see you mention WebKit as an open alibi, but that's a poor example. It was forked from an open project and thus they were forced to leave it open. These days though it's not even being maintained in a way which suits the definition of open in any useful way.

Holding the key to the source and at the same time having a committing policy which says its "OK" to break it on all platforms not yours with others needing your permission to fix things doesn't really paint a nice picture of you as a advocate of openness.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by fabriceleal » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 1:04 PM UTC

clobber wrote: post #238

NewAccnt wrote: post #129

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HTML5 is not standard, certainly not open. Everyone abandoned WebKit for some unknown reason having to do with Apple. Please list these OSS Apps, I would love to know since Google and Wikpedia say nothing like that.

http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Crazy, huh?

http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/developer-tools-45/

This means that I can build the developer tools in, say, ubuntu, and/or that I can cross-compile to target iOS?

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by no_more_death » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 1:07 PM UTC

rimantas wrote: post #288

krichman wrote: post #278

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Hello. I don't have any strong pro-Google feelings. I used to really like Apple. iOS is only good for people that want something which works and which they don't need to spend any effort on maintaining. It is a complete joke for people that want a powerful mobile computing device. I use an iPhone now but my next phone will be an Android. To be honest I'll probably continue to buy iPod Touches as long as they can be j…

Yes iOS is for people who want to do something on their devices, android is for people who want to do something to their devices. Like a car owner who knows how to drive, but is not a mechanic and car owner who is a mechanic and spends days in the garage tweaking the engine instead of driving. Guess which one drives more. Maybe that explains disparity between the market share and web usage stats for iOS and Android.

Installing a new Android home launcher, setting up llama, etc on Android is NOTHING like trying to work through an automanual and make changes to your car. This analogy is utterly wrong..

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by SageRaven » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 1:10 PM UTC

mortehu wrote: post #259

crag wrote: post #230

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Are you kidding? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modifie... http://www.pressherald.com/news/Appeal-set-January-organic-f... The latter is just evil. Suing farmers cause crops were contaminated through unwanted pollination by neighboring farms [using Monsanto's genetically altered seeds and chemicals]. Finally the farmers are banning together and counter-suing. And this are just 2 examples. Do fur…

> The latter is just evil. Suing farmers cause crops were contaminated through unwanted pollination by neighboring farms I already acknowledged that this view exists in the comment you replied to. However, I suspect this view stems from farmers talking to the press, and not from the careful reading of court records. See for example this quote from your second link: > The judge also called the farmers' claims that the…

Intentional contamination or no, patenting genes and extorting royalties from people propagating self-replicating organisms is very much evil.

If farmers want to pay for seed stock of known features and quality, that's great. What they do after that should be totally under their control and domain. A legal precedent for interfering with the ancient practice of saving seed and selection of seeds from desirable plants is so entirely "evil" I can't explain it to someone who doesn't "get" it already. The evilness or any corporate control of genetics in the wild (outside of their production labs) should be self-evident.

I laugh at the audacity of garden catalogs that warn that you cannot take cuttings of certain patented items, like thornless blackberries. Blackberries are stupid-easy to propagate with cuttings, and it is completely absurd to think that people will (or should) obey such a warning.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by GFischer » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 1:13 PM UTC

wilfra wrote: post #243

Joeri wrote: post #242

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That's not exactly true. People don't get in such a hissy fit over microsoft's online applications, like hotmail or the office web apps. Microsoft isn't 'better' than google, though i would argue they're no worse either.

You really don't think such a list could be created finding at least one subjective flaw in everything Microsoft has ever created? I'd do it myself if it wouldn't be such an absurd waste of time. I'm not saying Microsoft products suck, just reiterating my earlier point that nothing done at scale is going to be perfect to everybody.

For me, the main difference is, I've submitted bugs to Microsoft's bug tracking database (for both free and paid products), and someone has ANSWERED.

Their products can even subjectively have more flaws than Google's - I switched from Hotmail to Gmail, Windows Phone 7.5 has a lot of frustrations built-in, and Chrome is faster imo than IE, but one thing Microsoft does a lot better than Google is tech support.

When I needed them to come through (for critical business needs), they have. Google hasn't. And that's why they have my money, and Google doesn't (even though I WANT TO pay them for said support, and believe their products are better).

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by felipebueno » Fri, Apr 12, 2013, 1:17 PM UTC

mehrzad wrote: post #92

felipebueno wrote: post #21

I used to be a Google fan as well. Not a BIG fan but a fan. In late 2010 I decided it was time to move on from Google. It took a while but I already went back to Firefox (nightly), started moving my emails to fasmail.fm (with my own domain so I'm not tied to anyone), I'm trying to use only DuckDuckGo (it's difficult... I have to admit that Google is unbeatable yet), stopped using google+ and Google Reader (since 2011…

Try !sp in DDG.

Yep! I'm using it right now and I liked it very much. The power of Google with privacy. Thanks, man! =)