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Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by sbuk »

NewAccnt wrote: post #129
kunai wrote: post #122

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There is nothing Google Glass does that my smartphone already can't. And how is Apple waging war against openness? WebKit is open-source. They're pushing HTML5 against Flash (open vs proprietary). Darwin (OS X without Quartz and DPS) is open source. A few of the apps included with OS X are open-source. Google cars? Driverless car research has been going on for years, both before and alongside Google. Look, I'm not ba…

HTML5 is not standard, certainly not open. Everyone abandoned WebKit for some unknown reason having to do with Apple. Please list these OSS Apps, I would love to know since Google and Wikpedia say nothing like that.

Google does: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+open+source&l=1

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by sbuk »

anoncow wrote: post #208
kunai wrote: post #176

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> Why does the OP hate them? Who knows! I quite clearly stated this in my post. Everything that isn't research-based, or what is user-oriented, like Google+, YouTube, etc. has been milked to death and ruined in the process. Other things, like how they consistently buy off startups and kill them, also annoy the hell out of me. > The fact that such a contentless diatribe is at #1 is depressing. That too should be benea…

>they consistently buy off startups and kill them Shouldn't we be citing sources, so that readers can learn and decide for themselves?

They could always Google it.

Sorry.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by Arelius »

olliesaunders wrote: post #152
blhack wrote: post #121

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>Google has overstayed the web's welcome. Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, switch to Internet Explorer, get an iPhone and shut up about it. No, google has not "overstayed the web's welcome", google has overstayed the welcome of a few entitled silicon valley golddiggers who will continue feeling wronged for the next 10 minutes until they realize what wonderful things google has created in the world for…

Nah, switch to DuckDuckGo and Firefox please :)

You know. I have DDG setup as my default search engine, but I find that I use "!g" way too often.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by bulatb »

WayneDB wrote: post #164
mythz wrote: post #132

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Google, more than any other company, has made the web a better place. The web was horrible dumping ground before Google - laced with Portals and flashing display ads, pathetic Search, fragmented content. Chrome's the best browser, Gmail the best Email client, Google Maps / Earth the best mapping client, there's only 1 YouTube, the Mobile landscape would be a walled garden with every user a hostage if it wasn't for An…

In your opinion. In my opinon the Gmail web client is a disgusting mess of anti-usability and Chrome is arguably not "the best". Webkit is the best - Chrome is a good browser, but empirically - not - the best for ever type of user. Google Maps / Earth may be the best overall free mapping solution for consumers, but it's certainly not the best for all mapping needs. The client applications are somewhat anaemic. Youtub…

I've found the web becomes much better when you make Flash click-to-play. YouTube especially, since the videos don't start until you ask.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by sixish »

fpgeek wrote: post #186
sixish wrote: post #98

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Google's character was obvious to me when they insisted their slogan was "don't be evil" and not "do no evil". A "do no evil" pledge is something that can be judged. Did they do evil by sabotaging the local 'yellow pages' in Africa? Was using their position on the board of competitors for their own advantage evil? This phrase refers to events and actions and facts, things that accountability is based on. Something ca…

And your character was obvious to me the minute you said that "do no evil" is a more useful standard than "don't be evil". "Do no evil" is an impossible and therefore pointless standard. How many people do you know that have done no evil in their life? Have you? I've certainly made my share of arguably evil mistakes. Now consider a company with tens of thousands of employees. Even if 1% of their employees (intentiona…

The doctor's creed is "do no harm" or "never do harm", even though it's impossible for a doctor to never ever cause harm. They have this oath because they want to be held accountable for their mistakes.

Doctors don't go around saying just "don't be harmful" or that as long as they have good intentions some harm is okay.

The simple fact is that formulation "don't be evil" is intended to avoid accountability. You can overlook some evil because you perceive them as having good intentions. Maybe you should consider that an advertising company may have put more thought into their motto and how it affects your perception of them than you realize.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by PavlovsCat »

kunai wrote: post #2

Google has overstayed the web's welcome. What started out as a quirky, innovative company that bucked all of the suit-and-tie trends (see Microsoft, HP, even Apple in some regards) of Silicon Valley, has now turned into a monstrous calamity with no regard for its users. Up until 2009, it was breezy and beautiful, but right now, at this moment, it's a different story altogether. Don't be evil? Pfeh. The only thing lef…

And please, PLEASE, reinvent that horrid thing called Google+. Even the name sucks.

How about Doubleplusgoogle? Or maybe MeinGoogle?

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by jcbrand »

olliesaunders wrote: post #152
blhack wrote: post #121

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>Google has overstayed the web's welcome. Then stop using their products. Switch to bing, switch to Internet Explorer, get an iPhone and shut up about it. No, google has not "overstayed the web's welcome", google has overstayed the welcome of a few entitled silicon valley golddiggers who will continue feeling wronged for the next 10 minutes until they realize what wonderful things google has created in the world for…

Nah, switch to DuckDuckGo and Firefox please :)

People don't seem to be aware of https://startpage.com/

They anonymize your search data and then send it off to Google search.

I tried DDG a few times, and as much as I want to like it, their search results weren't as good as Google's.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by white_devil »

blhack wrote: post #114

You guys in this thread whining about google: It isn't google that has changed, it is the whole world which has changed. Look at the things that some of you champion; the iPhone, the iPad...anything running iOS, anything made by apple computer, the company that is pushing the hardest against openness on the internet. Oh, you want some basic browser functionality like uploading files? Spend time learning objective C,…

> Apples complete joke of a mobile operating system

How could you possibly think iOS is a "complete joke".. without being a raging GooGoo fanboy, that is?

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by mortehu »

crag wrote: post #230
mortehu wrote: post #193

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Are you sure Monsanto is evil? As far as I understand, contrary to popular belief they only sue farmers who use their patented seeds if they also buy the pesticide that goes along with those seeds. Maybe they're evil for some other reason I'm not aware of?

Are you kidding? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modifie... http://www.pressherald.com/news/Appeal-set-January-organic-f... The latter is just evil. Suing farmers cause crops were contaminated through unwanted pollination by neighboring farms [using Monsanto's genetically altered seeds and chemicals]. Finally the farmers are banning together and counter-suing. And this are just 2 examples. Do fur…

> The latter is just evil. Suing farmers cause crops were contaminated through unwanted pollination by neighboring farms

I already acknowledged that this view exists in the comment you replied to. However, I suspect this view stems from farmers talking to the press, and not from the careful reading of court records. See for example this quote from your second link:

> The judge also called the farmers' claims that they could be subject to patent-infringement lawsuits "unsubstantiated" because "not one single plaintiff claims to have been so threatened."

The Wikipedia article on Monsanto Canada Inc. v. Schmeiser does mention that he was convicted without having used the pesticide, but the court did not believe the contamination was accidental in any case.

Re: You know, Google, the web already had this feature

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Post by reidrac »

clobber wrote: post #238
NewAccnt wrote: post #129

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HTML5 is not standard, certainly not open. Everyone abandoned WebKit for some unknown reason having to do with Apple. Please list these OSS Apps, I would love to know since Google and Wikpedia say nothing like that.

http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Crazy, huh?

I don't know if it's crazy, but I wouldn't say that site is the answer. Yes, it has the open source word all over it, but have you spent two minutes to look at the content? Most of the "relevant" stuff is just to comply with third party OSS licenses (read: non APSL projects).

Although not exactly the same, it looks to me more or less like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=2...

OSS is about community not just a website to release files (aka "code dump"). If you had pointed to http://www.webkit.org/ or http://www.cups.org/ ; well, that would be different.

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