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Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by FireBeyond »

overgryphon wrote: post #262
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #153

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Not to mention, female privilege lets them call men "creepers" or "perverts" without question. I've pressed female friends about this and they just answer with "I didnt like the look he gave me" or "we just didnt click." So instead of understanding that most people are not compatible, we're now building a db to slander them based on purely emotional reasoning? If women are using this then it says a lot about the woma…

"Creepy" means "he made me feel threatened and unsafe". It's valuable information for women to share within their social group so that they can avoid uncomfortable situations. Though it is not at all appropriate to share such information on a public online forum.

In theory, yes. I've seen more than one woman "confess" that creepiness was more a factor of attraction - that the same behavior from two men was considered creepy, unless the woman was attracted to one, in which case it was considered acceptable, even positively (and though I'm wary of ascribing fiction as another anecdote - witness female-oriented fiction, such as Interview With A Vampire, Twilight, Fifty Shades of Grey as being heavily tinged with behavior that, if there wasn't attraction, even if unexplored / unannounced as yet, would be unacceptable).

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by tomjen3 »

Steuard wrote: post #290
tomjen3 wrote: post #239

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Yeah, lets blame the males, those horrible, horrible people who oppress women by being in prison, homeless or committing suicide (or, in the past, dying on the battlefields on Europe by the millions). Try to read a little more about how genders really work before you claim that men are the only oppressors: the top of society is mostly men, but so is the bottom. The survival rate of third-class female passengers on th…

I did not say "Men are oppressors" or "Blame men". I said, in a nutshell, "Blame our social structures that tend to favor men." There's a very real difference there in terms of the moral claims being made. And yes, feminism is also concerned about the ways in which this social structure hurts men, very much so. It's just that the consensus is that it hurts women more, so today there are larger and more immediate gain…

And I just showed you that they don't tend to favor men -- how was men favored by WWI? 16 million men died -- I doubt a thousand women did.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by papsosouid »

b6 wrote: post #320
papsosouid wrote: post #276

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I don't understand what you are trying to convey. It appears like a deliberate red herring to try to distract from what I actually said. I personally use haskell, but you do not need to do so to get a complete guarantee against SQL injection. Nobody said anything about silver bullets or protecting against every security problem. I very clearly said SQL injection is a solved problem, in reply to someone claiming every…

You are being too harsh (again). Whatever problems you deal with, whatever mistakes you make in your professional work, are also solved problems, using some technology that is unacceptable to you (probably for very good reasons). You could have been informative and made your original point tactfully. Instead, you badmouthed a certain technology without even naming the stuff that was supposedly better. I'm a Haskell e…

I think perhaps we are operating with very different definitions of harsh. If your response is simply intended to be a poor attempt at criticizing my tone, you did not make that clear. Obviously such vacuous nonsense would not warrant a response.

Your assertion that whatever problems I deal with are solved problems is absolutely insane. Please, tell me how problems like interpreting customers requirements are "solved" and what technology I can use to ensure that all the code I write will 100% always match the users mental picture of what they wanted.

Criticizing the choice to deliberately create security holes for convenience is not "badmouthing", and "I'm offended" is not a productive response. It literally conveys no useful information at all.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by crux_ »

papsosouid wrote: post #292
crux_ wrote: post #280

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Men's rights advocacy is, as a movement, pretty much the same thing as the whole "war on Christmas" crap that comes up on right wing TV every year. It has no legitimacy because it's not legitimate. Instead it is largely the same old prejudices, finding renewed strength under a thin mask of collective victimhood, desperately clung to.

Did you reply to the wrong post by accident or something? I was asking about the motivation behind strawman arguments, not requesting /b/ tier trolling.

Just because you have no response to something doesn't make it trolling.

The men's rights movement as it is should not exist. Not because male inequality is covered by feminist ideals, though it is, but because the "men's rights" movement is largely nothing more than a pretext for men to openly and self-righteously flaunt their anti-woman beliefs.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by papsosouid »

crux_ wrote: post #324
papsosouid wrote: post #292

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Did you reply to the wrong post by accident or something? I was asking about the motivation behind strawman arguments, not requesting /b/ tier trolling.

Just because you have no response to something doesn't make it trolling. The men's rights movement as it is should not exist. Not because male inequality is covered by feminist ideals, though it is, but because the "men's rights" movement is largely nothing more than a pretext for men to openly and self-righteously flaunt their anti-woman beliefs.

>Just because you have no response to something doesn't make it trolling.

Certainly not. Posting deliberately inflammatory nonsense is however. Especially when posting it as a complete non-sequitur reply to an entirely unrelated post. Doubly so when you then proceed to act like a response is warranted, and double down on the random nonsense.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by neya »

knowtheory wrote: post #267
neya wrote: post #219

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Maybe I shouldn't feed you? Now, I am a troll because I oppose your narrow views suggesting 'Feminists are always right. Men are wrong' Because you posted two links in response to my argument that feminists don't commit to drama when it's the other side that's being hurt. But you paste just two blog posts that never got popular (I stand by this) trying to justify the fact that feminists did create an issue out of thi…

No, you're the troll because you don't appear to know any feminists, or what feminists read. Jezebel and Slate's XX Factor are definitely prominent within the feminist blogosphere (if there is such a thing). You're also trolling by comparing a startup to the clusterfuck that was the Pycon incident. They are just simply not similar events. There have been creepy dating or hookup apps which have come up on Hacker News…

>Jezebel and Slate's XX Factor are definitely prominent within the feminist blogosphere (if there is such a thing).

You just didn't understand what I said, did you? Re-read my comment above.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by mnicole »

papsosouid wrote: post #268
mnicole wrote: post #245

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With all the commentary here you'd think all feminists are the kind that want to "overthrow" men and it's women's fault a company primarily consisting of men were funded, and have developed and marketed this app. There are far creepier and more intrusive apps and services out there. Instead of blindly blaming feminists (without actually understanding what most feminists actually stand for) for them being on the marke…

>Instead of blindly blaming feminists (without actually understanding what most feminists actually stand for) for them being on the marketplace Why do discussions like this always get such ridiculous strawman arguments tossed around? Nobody is blaming feminists. People are pointing out that the vocal, hateful group of internet "feminists" constantly claim they are against sexism in all forms, and thus men's rights ad…

"Feminist" found count - 41. "Feminism" found count - 13. "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS NOW?!" was one of the top comments when this post was on the front page a few hours ago and helped set the stage for the continuing commentary.

The uproar in this thread is over placing inappropriate blame on people that neither asked for nor made this app. As Stavros said above, the company is primarily male and this aspect of the app was a last-minute pivot he hadn't heard of before he left the company.

Now look at how HN handled the same type of app for men -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5087859. Seems to be a lot less gender-blaming/misplaced fear going around there.

A better way to handle something like this is to shut down the very notion of it and do what was necessary to tell developers and distributors that this is not acceptable, like the thread linked above did. Instead, it turned into a hateful, woman-bashing array of bruised egos and hurt butts over what women you'd probably be smart enough not to date in the first place had to say about you.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by ohkine »

darxius wrote: post #316
ohkine wrote: post #206

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Try being a woman on the Internet — anywhere on the Internet, not this one idiot site — and then talk about insane double-standards. When every other online interaction involves at least a few men commenting on your fuckability or how much of a 'bitch' you are, or going digging through all of your previous posts or even tracking down your Facebook account so that they can publicly share your body with all of the othe…

The fact that other double standards exist in other parts of the internet isn't what I was debating. I won't argue with you that there is an inherit double standard among both sexes, but seeing as this thread is about the website in question -- that's the one I was addressing. Also, in no way should double standards and sexism lead to more double standards and sexism.

If you had simply decried the site's 'sexism' i would not have taken issue with your post. What you'd said was that it was an 'insane double standard'.

The definition of a double-standard is 'the application of different sets of principles for similar situations, or two different people in the same situation'.

Your use of the term 'insane double standard' (not to mention the other comments here using similar language) therefore suggests that the existence of one single Web site dedicated to women objectifying men is a 'similar situation' to living every single day in a culture where only the OPPOSITE is actually a real problem.

And as much as i can identify with the distaste over this Web site, i find that that implication is laughable and the emotional outrage over it is therefore severely misplaced.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by DanBC »

ohkine wrote: post #328
darxius wrote: post #316

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The fact that other double standards exist in other parts of the internet isn't what I was debating. I won't argue with you that there is an inherit double standard among both sexes, but seeing as this thread is about the website in question -- that's the one I was addressing. Also, in no way should double standards and sexism lead to more double standards and sexism.

If you had simply decried the site's 'sexism' i would not have taken issue with your post. What you'd said was that it was an 'insane double standard'. The definition of a double-standard is 'the application of different sets of principles for similar situations, or two different people in the same situation'. Your use of the term 'insane double standard' (not to mention the other comments here using similar language…

You've managed to say what I was thinking.

I understand why people dislike websites like this, or the Diet Coke ads (men stripping their shirts off while women ogle) and I'd join in the criticism. But the ranting sometimes feels so overblown.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by speeder »

mkr-hn wrote: post #92
speeder wrote: post #50

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There are a couple of schools around the world targeted at men, or women... One very interesting thing, is that schools targeted at women are seem as "traditional" and "bastions" or "empowering", specially if they are ancient and do have good education... Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and…

> Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and a common tag attached to them is "Backwards" or "medieval" or "inquisitors" Which school?

One particular that I can remember is this: http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/my-dream-co...

Just read the comments related to this subject, and you will see what I mean (lots of attack on them because the wish to remain male only)

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