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Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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post #11

In recent times I've gotten the impression that their is a double standard going on regarding certain (not all) services and events that are only targeted to women. If this had been an app for men rating and alerting them about certain women all hell would of broke loose.

Which is nicely summed up in this image: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2FI/SxBdnmvo5xI/AAAAAAAABr...

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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post #143

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I find it absolutely despicable to make light of violent abuse, including sexual abuse, in prison. We should be doing all we can to make our prisons safer for everyone. The fact that many people think it is OK to make and laugh at prison rape jokes sickens me. What would you think if I made rape jokes about your 90 year old grandma? Or your ten year old son? Or your wife? If that is not ok, neither is prison rape of…

I don't think prison rape is OK. But my jokes aren't going to change that. Your sanctimonious bullcrap isn't either.

I apologize for my rudeness. It was uncalled for and I really didn't mean it that way. I didn't mean to target you or put you on the spot. I understand that reforming people's views takes time. (I visited a freshman class in a South Asian university. If I was from there I presume I'd most likely think that cat calling women as they entered the classroom was normal and acceptable behavior.

I think we have a similar problem here. We've grown up with these jokes and lived with them for so long that it just doesn't bother us. I am glad you agree that prison rape is not OK. I am not trying to be sanctimonious (I actually had to look up that word). I just feel so helpless about this situation.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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post #27

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I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost…

Men as a sex have had advantageous circumstances and treatment for a long time, yes. That has absolutely nothing to do with men who are alive today . Perhaps you're a male who's OK with being the subject of discriminatory treatment over centuries of gain you didn't get to live through. I'm not, and I don't think anyone should be. Unless two wrongs make a right, discriminating against people who have not been a party…

"Men as a sex have had advantageous circumstances and treatment for a long time, yes. That has absolutely nothing to do with men who are alive today."

Let's talk about the gender ratio today in Congress, or among Fortune 500 CEOs. Let's talk about the recent study showing that given identical (fake) resumes for a lab manager position, scientists on average offer lower salary and less mentoring to female candidates. http://www.psmag.com/culture-society/sexists-in-white-coats-... That's just a few examples; there are countless others.

I completely agree that it's unfair to blame men today for the long history of inequality in our society. But 1) that history is not remotely over, and 2) the responsibility that we do have as men alive today is to find whatever ways we can to make progress in improving these issues for everyone.

I honestly don't know the best ways to do that; none of them seem entirely good or entirely effective. But if we know that there is a vast invisible finger of society tipping the scales against women in a given context, it does not strike me as necessarily immoral to put explicit structures in place designed to tip things a little bit back the other way. (I'm sure it could be implemented poorly.) We have to break the self-reinforcing cycle somehow, and maybe an admittedly clumsy counter-push against those social pressures can help.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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post #169
post #73

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Nope, men have the upper hand and lower hand, and if you take the average out of that then women are men are equal at least in all Western nations. Even though 60-80% of politicians may be male, that's contrasted with 80% of homeless people being male, 80% of suicides made by men. If we look at young people, then women clearly have the uppder hand. In addition to having the upper hand in dating, they out-earn young m…

You're right about some of this, although you're overstating the case: about 44% of the homeless in the United States are single men; families with children are about 36% and single women are only 13%. (Figures for Europe are certainly different as they offer different social services, especially for families.) Greater male service in the military is one component of this, as in the US veterans make up 16% of the hom…

Wow, what a horrific story. I hope my daughter never has to go through something like that.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

#215
post #119

Who cares? Would you want to date a girl who uses a gossip app anyway? No. Hell no. If this helps steer the superficial airheads in another direction, I'd only have one thing to say to Chong: "Thanks!" Saves us the trouble of finding out the hard way, at least.

What about a girl who is acquaintances with a gossip girl who uses the app and searches for guy's they're dating, and lets them know about whatever is mentioned on there?

I don't get why everyone is so paranoid about this. What are people trying to hide?

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

#216
post #27

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I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost…

Men as a sex have had advantageous circumstances and treatment for a long time, yes. That has absolutely nothing to do with men who are alive today . Perhaps you're a male who's OK with being the subject of discriminatory treatment over centuries of gain you didn't get to live through. I'm not, and I don't think anyone should be. Unless two wrongs make a right, discriminating against people who have not been a party…

You're conceding too much. High status men have had advantageous circumstances and treatment for a long time. Men are competitors & not particularly kind towards those below them, especially those of no inherent reproductive value... cannon fodder don't have ovaries.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Who cares? Would you want to date a girl who uses a gossip app anyway? No. Hell no. If this helps steer the superficial airheads in another direction, I'd only have one thing to say to Chong: "Thanks!" Saves us the trouble of finding out the hard way, at least.

Why not? It make sense as a strategy to select a good partner.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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post #197

Wait, Hacker News is OK talking about gender now? Because I thought that stuff got flagged because it wasn't "relevant"- evidently the community has had quite the change of heart recently. Either that, or it's OK because it's about men and not women. One of the two.

Are you new here? Every time there's a story in any way relating to sexism, the community jumps on it like it's somehow a worthwhile conversation, when really everyone just wants to put their two cents in. Like me for example.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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post #194

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Nope, a couple of unpopular blog posts is not something I wanted to see. I could have googled those myself. I was expecting a 'rage' unleashed - with just one question - 'How dare they do this!?' "How dare they do this to Gender 'x'" The same rage you saw previously when this happened to women.

Haha, Slate and Jezebel are unpopular. Nice trolling. (Oh crap, now I'm feeding the troll now, aren't I?)

Maybe I shouldn't feed you?

Now, I am a troll because I oppose your narrow views suggesting 'Feminists are always right. Men are wrong'

Because you posted two links in response to my argument that feminists don't commit to drama when it's the other side that's being hurt. But you paste just two blog posts that never got popular (I stand by this) trying to justify the fact that feminists did create an issue out of this.

My question is "Where's the drama?"

I think to understand the popularity I'm talking about, you need to go back and read out about some recent incidents where a company was brought under fire and posts were written by dozens and dozens of blogs and authors about an incident where a woman got offended because she over-heard a private conversation and about another incident where a company was under fire because they had hired PROFESSIONAL models to promote their hard disks. Now that is immense popularity, not just two blog posts that never got as much attention as described above. My point is, don't favor one gender over the other.

Also, I said unpopular blog posts and not just unpopular blogs. I hope you take some English lessons part-time.

I generally keep track of such tech issues. I never got to read those posts you linked above. If it were really popular as you claim, then I would have seen some twitter hash tags and some re-posts of the article by prominent media organizations.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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post #197

Wait, Hacker News is OK talking about gender now? Because I thought that stuff got flagged because it wasn't "relevant"- evidently the community has had quite the change of heart recently. Either that, or it's OK because it's about men and not women. One of the two.

Are you new here? Every time there's a story in any way relating to sexism, the community jumps on it like it's somehow a worthwhile conversation, when really everyone just wants to put their two cents in. Like me for example.

They really don't, though. A number of people jump on, then the thread gets flagged to death. Only when it's about women, though:

http://tumbling.alastair.is/post/42050321362/why-are-posts-a...

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