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“Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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As an European, all I can say is "Fuckin' stupid American rednecks". Jeez, do the US have at least A BIT chemistry lessons in their education system?

As an American all I can say is that the truth isn't always politically correct: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/watch-that-educati...

This article just won a Godwin point: basically if only the rich whites are taken into account, the American school is better than the Canadian one ... sure, that's a nice way to evaluate an education system ...

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#62
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How many calls did the water plant get? Depressingly, how many would they have got if the presenters used H20 instead of dihydrogen monoxide?

H twenty?

Yes.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x68y4g_look-around-you-modu...

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You're asserting that, simply because people are capable of holding down jobs, owning homes and producing kids, that the general stigmatization of sciences and pervasive anti-intellectualism is insignificant because people can still intuit what constitutes as good and bad education and policy? This is absurd. Just because people may be capable of functioning in the real world without access to scientific knowledge do…

>As an aside, "Half of the population is below average intelligence" is false. Half of the population is below the median intelligence. Not false. Median is a type of average . He never said half the population is below the arithmetic mean.

>Not false. Median is a type of average

?? I thought those were two distinct things. The median is the "middle" amount in a set of numbers, while the average or mean is the sum of all the numbers in the set, divided by how many numbers there are.

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As an aside, "Half of the population is below average intelligence" is false. Half of the population is below the median intelligence. Not false. Median is a type of average . He never said half the population is below the arithmetic mean.

>Not false. Median is a type of average ?? I thought those were two distinct things. The median is the "middle" amount in a set of numbers, while the average or mean is the sum of all the numbers in the set, divided by how many numbers there are.

Arithmetic mean, geometric mean, median, mode etc... those are all specific methods of finding the average.

The most common average in ordinary use is the arithmetic mean, but they are not the same thing and the word average is much more general.

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As an aside, "Half of the population is below average intelligence" is false. Half of the population is below the median intelligence. Not false. Median is a type of average . He never said half the population is below the arithmetic mean.

>Not false. Median is a type of average ?? I thought those were two distinct things. The median is the "middle" amount in a set of numbers, while the average or mean is the sum of all the numbers in the set, divided by how many numbers there are.

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Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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It's hard to know what to say to this.

No, you can't reasonably expect everyone out there to both 1. understand chemical formulas and 2. understand their long form names (which is a significantly different case, as people here seem to be forgetting).

In my opinion, you also can't blame a couple of DJ's for making what to many of us is just a dumb joke without first considering what many of us would also call an illogical, ill-informed, totally unfounded backlash. They put together a lot of material very quickly and part of their job is being, to a point, controversial.

That this could be construed, through misunderstanding, as something that could be called a felony and termination-worthy... while you can see it (if not agree with it) in hindsight, to suggest that they should have known better seems a bit out of step with reality.

This could and should have been dealt with by way of a mild reprimand and an on-air explanation and apology. That they were fired and that people are discussing litigation (if not pursuing it, which is not clear from the article) is a severe and dangerous overreaction of the sort that's becoming painfully common everywhere.

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What about the gang-related murders and gun violence in the "black" regions of cities? The multiple school shootings which happen EVERY YEAR in the US? And still nothing, absolutely NOTHING happens on the weapons control laws? I can't even remember when the last gun-related school shooting was here in Germany.

Is this sarcasm? Gun related shootings have been happening regularly in Germany. Search for "amok" in German language news sites.

By far not as regularly as in the United States. Just take the list from http://www.rp-online.de/panorama/die-schlimmsten-amoklaeufe-... - most of these are US based.

Or, take the list at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoklauf_an_einer_Schule#Deutsc... - six in the last 11 years, way more (and especially: much more violent!) in the US!

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

#68

Oh stop being so high and mighty. Chemophobia! Really? H2O is probably the most widely known chemical formula - go out and ask twenty random people what it is and you will get 19 answers for water. Ask those same 19 people what dihydrogen monoxide is at 8am on a Tuesday when they are trying to get kids dressed and out the door, then say "contaminated" and the answer will be "I don't know but it sounds nasty" Yes it's…

> H2O is probably the most widely known chemical formula ... Ask those same 19 people what dihydrogen monoxide is ... the answer will be "I don't know but it sounds nasty" ... Yes it's true - half of the population is below average intelligence

I'd go further.

It's really easy to think the meaning of "dihydrogen monoxide" is obvious if you already know how to parse terms written in that language. But it's far from obvious.

To understand what "dihydrogen monoxide" means, you have to know that "di" means "two", and that "oxide" refers to oxygen. You also have to realise that "mon" in this context means "one" - note that it's not "mono", because if it was "mono" then it would be "mono-xide". Actually, it's harder than that, because you need to know how you should break down the words into their components - e.g. that "dihydrogen" should be broken down into "di"-"hydrogen" but not "dihy"-"drogen".

If you haven't learnt the language used to spell out chemical formula you don't have a way to understand the details. I'm sure there's plenty of smart, well educated people who don't have this specific knowledge yet know full well that water is two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.

This issue is more a matter of knowledge than intelligence.

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It's amazing how everybody is so quick to dismiss the general public as "stupid" just because they are not familiar with some domain specific terminology.

I don't think anyone says the public is stupid because they don't know what Dihydrogen Monoxide is. The problem is that no one saw the need to do a one minute wikipedia search for the term before panicking and calling the local authorities. Because that is stupid.

I'm sure most people did.

How many people actually called in? I'm betting a few dozen out of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of listeners.

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As an American all I can say is that the truth isn't always politically correct: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/watch-that-educati...

This article just won a Godwin point: basically if only the rich whites are taken into account, the American school is better than the Canadian one ... sure, that's a nice way to evaluate an education system ...

Yup, you must be right, there are only rich white people in America. I was commenting that although the vast majority of European countries and also Canada tend to have single-digit percentages of visible minorities compared to 34% of the United States, they are often quick to accuse the U.S. of racism, or fail to understand the implications of a truly multicultural society. Germany has 6% of its population with ancestry outside of Europe, yet there is this "Integrationsfrage" that gets a more lip service than you can imagine. Basically, it is encouraging a lot of countries quite literally to look in a mirror before judging. The U.S. education system has failings, but its populace is fundamentally different what the above commenter was trying to compare it to.
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