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“Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

#51

Oh stop being so high and mighty. Chemophobia! Really? H2O is probably the most widely known chemical formula - go out and ask twenty random people what it is and you will get 19 answers for water. Ask those same 19 people what dihydrogen monoxide is at 8am on a Tuesday when they are trying to get kids dressed and out the door, then say "contaminated" and the answer will be "I don't know but it sounds nasty" Yes it's…

You're asserting that, simply because people are capable of holding down jobs, owning homes and producing kids, that the general stigmatization of sciences and pervasive anti-intellectualism is insignificant because people can still intuit what constitutes as good and bad education and policy? This is absurd. Just because people may be capable of functioning in the real world without access to scientific knowledge does not meant that we shouldn't pursue the proliferation of such knowledge. Whether people need to know what Dihydrogen Monoxide is is largely inconsequential. Insofar as scientific knowledge is, unto itself, a good thing, policymakers should strive to promote it, regardless of its practical implications.

It's preferable to be an informed functioning citizen than an uninformed functioning citizen, despite the fact that they are both capable of doing their jobs every day.

As an aside, "Half of the population is below average intelligence" is false. Half of the population is below the median intelligence.

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to examine the underpinnings of your desire to find fault with Americans since this kind of comment raises much more questions about your psychology than it does about Americans. The fact is that this joke sometimes even temporarily fools people who are familiar with water's molecular make-up (and yes they do teach this in every American high school) because most common substances are not referred to b…

I have to admit that especially in Germany there is a huge, huge bias (from our news media) towards pointing the USA as a nation of radical right-wing retards. US-related news here is mainly about: Tea Party, gun violence, wars, more Tea Party, corruption and dumbness on both popular parties, sheer political idiocy (sequester), and a record amount of bigotry throughout the society. To the USA: deal with your external…

Sorry who are you talking to? Americans by and large are completely oblivious that anyone would be laughing at them.

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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post #32

The big issue here is not that "the public can't even understand a basic chemical formula"--it's that so many people are willing to take something they hear in a morning radio show at face value (and panickedly call up the local utility, rather than search online for verification).

What you are saying is that the problem is that people assume that radio shows fact-check their claims and don't actively try to deceive their audience.

Why would you trust that what anyone (DJ or not) is telling you is the unbiased truth, especially when it includes a specific call to action?

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

#55
post #51

Oh stop being so high and mighty. Chemophobia! Really? H2O is probably the most widely known chemical formula - go out and ask twenty random people what it is and you will get 19 answers for water. Ask those same 19 people what dihydrogen monoxide is at 8am on a Tuesday when they are trying to get kids dressed and out the door, then say "contaminated" and the answer will be "I don't know but it sounds nasty" Yes it's…

You're asserting that, simply because people are capable of holding down jobs, owning homes and producing kids, that the general stigmatization of sciences and pervasive anti-intellectualism is insignificant because people can still intuit what constitutes as good and bad education and policy? This is absurd. Just because people may be capable of functioning in the real world without access to scientific knowledge do…

>As an aside, "Half of the population is below average intelligence" is false. Half of the population is below the median intelligence.

Not false. Median is a type of average. He never said half the population is below the arithmetic mean.

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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post #53

It's amazing how everybody is so quick to dismiss the general public as "stupid" just because they are not familiar with some domain specific terminology.

I don't think anyone says the public is stupid because they don't know what Dihydrogen Monoxide is. The problem is that no one saw the need to do a one minute wikipedia search for the term before panicking and calling the local authorities. Because that is stupid.

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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post #32

The big issue here is not that "the public can't even understand a basic chemical formula"--it's that so many people are willing to take something they hear in a morning radio show at face value (and panickedly call up the local utility, rather than search online for verification).

What you are saying is that the problem is that people assume that radio shows fact-check their claims and don't actively try to deceive their audience.

And assume this on April 1st...

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

#58
post #53

It's amazing how everybody is so quick to dismiss the general public as "stupid" just because they are not familiar with some domain specific terminology.

How much you want to bet the water company didn't know the chemical name of water is dihydrogen monoxide? Otherwise they could have explained to the callers that dihydrogen monoxide is, in fact, water and they were simply victims of an April Fool's joke. But that doesn't seem to be the path that was taken.

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's cigarettes for us, is alcohol and firearms in the USA, especially the firearms part Since we're on topic of science and ignorance, no it's not. >> Using cross-sectional time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths.[1] This whole thread denouncing ignorance is ful…

What about the gang-related murders and gun violence in the "black" regions of cities? The multiple school shootings which happen EVERY YEAR in the US? And still nothing, absolutely NOTHING happens on the weapons control laws? I can't even remember when the last gun-related school shooting was here in Germany.

Is this sarcasm? Gun related shootings have been happening regularly in Germany. Search for "amok" in German language news sites.

Re: “Dihydrogen monoxide” joke gets DJs suspended

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post #5

"My understanding is it is a felony to call in a false water quality issue" Is this a local or state or federal issue?

Also, how does essentially saying: "The water supply is full of water" qualify as calling in a false water quality issue?

The nose in the tent is that they didn't say it's full of water, they said it's full of [something I've never heard of], and presented in a newsy-alarming way, in venue where people are accustomed to getting snippets of news while they're doing something else. "Traffic on the freeway, be careful." "It's cold today, dress warm." "Something you've never heard of in the water, take precautions."

Suspension and disavowal probably went too far. A corporate and DJ apology would have been enough.

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