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Putting someone into an academic environment which is too far beyond his capabilities is a bad idea. I agree with this statement of policy. How do you think a college admission office ought to judge what an applicant's capabilities are?
Maybe we could put together some sort of test...
So there are at least two interpretations of this data (I'll admit I skimmed a bit torward the end). 1) The SAT is measuring things other than academic ability/achievement, particularly non-academic cultural differences between a significant portion of the cited minorities and those having more success getting into SAT-mandatory institutions. This seems to be implicit in many calls for diversity. 2) The SAT IS a good…
http://www.wfu.edu/provost/rethinkingadmissions/conference_p...
--very little information about how much student characteristics would change along other dimensions besides ethnic diversity if the SAT were not considered at all as an admission factor.
I love how diversi-crats treat college education as a fungible commodity - if we can just get more minorities into the Ivy League, we'll magically solve all of their problems. Putting someone into an academic environment which is too far beyond his capabilities is a bad idea.
Agreed. This is the fundamental flaw with the affirmative action and other diversity advocates. Artificially increasing diversity is institutional racism which only serves to mitigate a symptom, not eliminate a cause. Rather than forcibly put more minorities through college, we should improve schools in poor and underprivileged neighborhoods. Unfortunately, this real solution may take 10 to 20 years to see results...…
The results will be tons of mediocre graduates unable to pay back their loans. That's OK... we'll pick up the tab; no fucking problem!
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Putting someone into an academic environment which is too far beyond his capabilities is a bad idea. I agree with this statement of policy. How do you think a college admission office ought to judge what an applicant's capabilities are?
Maybe we could put together some sort of test...
This is the same kind of crap that started the housing bubble... social engineers doing what they just feel in their heart is right for society. The results will be tons of mediocre graduates unable to pay back their loans. That's OK... we'll pick up the tab; no fucking problem!
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/09/sacrificing-smart-black-k...
It's easy; go look at those colleges that didn't consider the test, then compare the statistical outcomes predicted by the SAT for those who took it and what actually happened. (There may be some correlations to sniff out ("I know I'm only applying to non-SAT colleges so I won't take the test"), but I bet it's managable.)
Diversity's great and all (though when I say diversity, I mean real diversity and not a whole bunch of differently-colored people all believing the same thing, but that's a topic for a different discussion...), but it's evil to skew statistics to increase the number of "diverse" students taking out increasingly expensive loans who then do not end up with a degree just so you can feel good about how many happy rainbowed diversities your college has. If that is what is going on here. I admit I can't prove it but I don't like the smell.
(Yes, there are serious issues with educational opportunities that should be addressed, and I don't know what the solution is. I just know the solution isn't forcing the already-behind to take on tens of thousands of dollars of useless debt.)
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Agreed. This is the fundamental flaw with the affirmative action and other diversity advocates. Artificially increasing diversity is institutional racism which only serves to mitigate a symptom, not eliminate a cause. Rather than forcibly put more minorities through college, we should improve schools in poor and underprivileged neighborhoods. Unfortunately, this real solution may take 10 to 20 years to see results...…
Schools can only do so much. If by putting more minorities through college you can increase the average level of education among minority parents (when those students have kids), you may be able to improve their kids' educations as a side-effect.