Live data from Hacker News

22 and no life

news.ycombinator.com

51–60 of 193 posts

Re: 22 and no life

#51
First of all, you have a bright future. Don't sell yourself short or give up. Failure is the key to success.

Contrary to what many commenters have indicated, don't get a job if you can avoid it. If you can get by without a job, put every last waking moment into your passion.

1) If you want to be a programmer, build something innovative and cool and tell the world about it. If nobody cares, try something else. Build a portfolio of things you've done that compensates for not having a degree.

2) Network. Meet people, talk to people and get involved. Help others and others will help on your projects. Network locally as well as with others in areas you want to live.

If you pour everything into your passion, you'll get better at what you do and everything will fall into place.

Re: 22 and no life

#53
I'm in what might be considered a precursor to this situation. I'm a high schooler and although I have a fair amount of technical skill, finding employment has been a fruitless endeavor. I fear that my inability to find freelance work or secure an internship will preclude me from the vast majority of jobs. Moreover, my grades are fairly mediocre (something largely attributable to depression and general apathy), which effectively prevents being accepted to most colleges. This then puts me into a situation whereby I'm forced to attend a state university, which, although technically has a lower sticker price, has a higher net cost because state schools don't meet full need. Moreover, in many cases obtaining a degree from middling college is tantamount to not having a degree. (Obviously, the majority of institutions still have a positive ROI but the return plumets as one descends college rankings.) I spend every day worried that I'll graduate with a relatively worthless education and little employment experience into a market in which I have no capacity for employment saddled with tens of thousands in debt.

Re: 22 and no life

#54
I'm not sure how realistic it is (I know nothing whatsoever about WA), but there are lots of tech meetups happening all over the country. Weekly groups for various languages, frameworks, etc. That can be a really good place to meet people and network. You probably don't want to show up and ask for a job, but it's a great way to bounce ideas off of similarly-minded people, make friends, learn new things or hone your skills, etc.

I also think getting a job - any job, McDonalds, Walmart, whatever - is an important (even if it's miserable) step, because it's SO MUCH EASIER to get a job when you already have one. Even if it takes several bounces up the ladder, it's very difficult to go from being unemployed to being employed in a good job in the field you're interested in. I've got no degree and no have an amazing job working as a developer for one of the most difficult-to-get-hired-at places in tech. I worked (I will omit the time from 17 years old to 27 years old, because I honestly can't remember all of the jobs I had in that period, but the last year or so I was unemployed) for an office furniture dealership (through a temp agency at first), then got a tech-support job for a small software company, worked hard enough to get a little more responsibility and learned some networking/sysadmin-type stuff, learned some sql, hacked around with Python and Ruby, and got a chance to be a developer. Never looked back. I'm 30, for reference, and I've also been homeless and had to sleep on friends' couches, lived paycheck-to-paycheck or sold belongings on craigslist to pay the rent at times, etc. Hang in there. It's hard to hear, but once things work out and you "get there", you tend not to give a fuck about the path it took to get there.

See if you can get to a tech meetup, or just hang out in IRC, post on tech forums, etc. Get the best job you can, but get any job before no job. Sometimes temp agencies can be a really good way to start - I've worked for several. They're usually indoor, business-casual, 9 to 5 office jobs. Don't expect it to be interesting, of course, but some of these places will get you _a_ job right away as long as you're reasonably polite/presentable and can type fast, and it'll probably be a little bit better than the bottom-end of the retail/fast-food spectrum in terms of pay.

Like zaphar said: Good luck and don't give up.

Re: 22 and no life

#55
I know how you feel, I am 19 and I feel like crap, but I am chronically depressed, so I might be in a different position. Did you try seeing if you suffer from depression? I have/had self loathing issues and depression, which lead to procrastination (I wasn't lazy, I would be genuinely busy doing a billion things void of any productive outcome). The procrastination lead to obvious under performance, etc etc. It was a form of self targeted, passive, destruction (look at me being all sciency).

P.S: I was on pills until recently, when my psychiatrist told me I can stop taking them to see if I still need them or not (they also make me very sick for a short while, roughly 20 to 60 minutes on average), and I am starting to fall into my old and bad habits, again. Just thought I'd add that if anyone's wondering about how I feel.

Re: 22 and no life

#56
post #13

Work anywhere you can until you can save up about $5000. Then go to Australia on the working holiday visa. You can make $16/hr picking tomatoes or as a barista or $25 an hour shuffling stuff around at a building site. Save $20K while enjoying life, then move to California and do a 2 year degree at a community college for $36 per credit. Get good grades then transfer to a UC to complete a bachelor's at in state tuitio…

> You can make $16/hr picking tomatoes or as a barista or $25 an hour shuffling stuff around at a building site.

These figures sound good compared to US min. wages, but given the (substantially) increased cost of living I'm not sure this is good advice.

Re: 22 and no life

#57
post #28

I've been where you are right now. Only I was married with 4 kids and one on the way. No job, No home, No degree, and what looked like No future. I don't know what your exact circumstances are but here is how I went from there to working for Google. 1. I got exposure. I hung out online with open source developers and participated. I did stuff in perl and blogged about it. 2. I did whatever I needed to to survive and…

How does one find an (appropriate) open source project to contribute to, especially as a C#, Asp.Net or Java developer?

Here are 97 popular (>200 stars) projects on GitHub in C#, sorted by popularity. Just switch language to see the same in Java. https://github.com/search?q=stars%3A%3E200&type=Reposito...

Re: 22 and no life

#59
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now you understand his mindset of feeling like he is trapped in the town he currently lives in.

Yes, but one can save up $5000 in a summer working full time in food service. I did it as a prep cook when I was 19.

$5000 in three months working in food service?

Doing that in a year or even six months is plausible, depending on how lucky his circumstances are, but three months strikes me as a bit of a stretch. At $10/hr * 40 hr/week * 12 week = $4800, ignoring rent, food, incidentals, and taxes.

Re: 22 and no life

#60
post #28

I've been where you are right now. Only I was married with 4 kids and one on the way. No job, No home, No degree, and what looked like No future. I don't know what your exact circumstances are but here is how I went from there to working for Google. 1. I got exposure. I hung out online with open source developers and participated. I did stuff in perl and blogged about it. 2. I did whatever I needed to to survive and…

How does one find an (appropriate) open source project to contribute to, especially as a C#, Asp.Net or Java developer?

Your lack of ability to google or search on your own is a bit worrisome, but I spent a few minutes doing your work for you. =)

There 18k+ open source repos on github for c#: https://github.com/search?l=C%23&q=c&type=Repositori...

There are 44k+ open source repos on github for java: https://github.com/search?l=Java&q=c&type=Repositori...

I'm not even gonna bother for Asp.Net.

Now, for some real advice. 'Open Source' and microsoft don't exactly go together like peanut butter and jelly. Yes, there are some open source projects for the MS ecosystem but it's just not in the culture.

If you don't want to transfer your current skills to the Linux world, you should find a large, open source c# project and just run with it.

Good luck.

Post reply on HN