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Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by run4yourlives » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 10:58 PM UTC

Darmani wrote: post #25

run4yourlives wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment doesn't deserve its negative rating. This is not reddit folks.

All over the Internet (even a few other forums for the highly intelligent), there are people trying to blame the recession the "unfettered capitalism" we've apparently gained over the last decade. At HN, I expect people to know better, or, at least, to only have to be taught once.

It's a valid enough point that a lack of regulation caused many of the current woes in the US, regardless of whether or not I happen to agree with it.

Hell, I'll even give you supporting evidence: Canada. Not a single bad bank.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by electromagnetic » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:05 PM UTC

run4yourlives wrote: post #31

Darmani wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All over the Internet (even a few other forums for the highly intelligent), there are people trying to blame the recession the "unfettered capitalism" we've apparently gained over the last decade. At HN, I expect people to know better, or, at least, to only have to be taught once.

It's a valid enough point that a lack of regulation caused many of the current woes in the US, regardless of whether or not I happen to agree with it. Hell, I'll even give you supporting evidence: Canada. Not a single bad bank.

Incidentally Bank of Montreal actually ran a profit on interest from bailing out the US' system.

A considerable amount of money spent in the US bailout of banks actually ended up in Canada, Europe and Japan due to debts the US banks had already accumulated.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by Devilboy » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:08 PM UTC

electromagnetic wrote: post #30

unalone wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, obviously. People who hate Rand loathe her, and people who love Rand are annoying and misphrase her stuff and say stupid things. At the core of her philosophy is the belief that you should live for yourself, that you should do things not because other people want you to but because you want to, that you should never feel guilty for the things that you can do that other people can't, and that the worst kind of p…

The philosophy behind the book is good, the politics are stupid from whatever point you look at it. It typifies both stereotypes of capitalism, for the left wing 'capitalism = evil' and for the right wing 'capitalism = glorious'. From a literary stand point, Rands work is the pulp fiction of politics. It plays the traditional stereotypes and helped make the woman famous (specifically in the USA, I believe the word is…

I always think of Bob's take on it all:

http://www.angryflower.com/atlass.gif

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by chops » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:13 PM UTC

xenophanes wrote: post #27

FYI The Fountainhead has a movie: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4619025/The_Fountainhead

Maybe you could link a legitimate copy, rather than the pirated copy?

Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Fountainhead-Gary-Cooper/dp/B000HWZ4A2...

Netflix: http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Fountainhead/70055755?trkid...

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by xenophanes » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:15 PM UTC

chops wrote: post #34

xenophanes wrote: post #27

FYI The Fountainhead has a movie: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4619025/The_Fountainhead

Maybe you could link a legitimate copy, rather than the pirated copy? Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Fountainhead-Gary-Cooper/dp/B000HWZ4A2... Netflix: http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Fountainhead/70055755?trkid...

Why? Then less people will watch it.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by electromagnetic » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:28 PM UTC

Darmani wrote: post #25

run4yourlives wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment doesn't deserve its negative rating. This is not reddit folks.

All over the Internet (even a few other forums for the highly intelligent), there are people trying to blame the recession the "unfettered capitalism" we've apparently gained over the last decade. At HN, I expect people to know better, or, at least, to only have to be taught once.

Okay... I'm wrong apparently, would you care to posit the 'correct answer' to the problem instead of your diatribe?

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by whughes » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:28 PM UTC

Darmani wrote: post #25

run4yourlives wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment doesn't deserve its negative rating. This is not reddit folks.

All over the Internet (even a few other forums for the highly intelligent), there are people trying to blame the recession the "unfettered capitalism" we've apparently gained over the last decade. At HN, I expect people to know better, or, at least, to only have to be taught once.

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you downvote them. This is exactly the kind of attitude that fosters groupthink and drains the life out of forums.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by unalone » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:35 PM UTC

Devilboy wrote: post #33

electromagnetic wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The philosophy behind the book is good, the politics are stupid from whatever point you look at it. It typifies both stereotypes of capitalism, for the left wing 'capitalism = evil' and for the right wing 'capitalism = glorious'. From a literary stand point, Rands work is the pulp fiction of politics. It plays the traditional stereotypes and helped make the woman famous (specifically in the USA, I believe the word is…

I always think of Bob's take on it all: http://www.angryflower.com/atlass.gif

Ugh, such a gross misinterpretation. One of Rand's big points is that it doesn't matter what you're doing as long as you do it well. One of her physicists becomes a janitor, and when the misguided protagonist expresses horror at that, he says that there's nothing wrong in doing menial tasks.

Bob is incredibly stupid because he makes fun of something that Rand expressly says is a good thing. Furthermore, the Rearden parody ("I only know how to pay people to invent alloys") ignores that in the book, Rearden is the scientist who invents the alloy himself. He's portrayed as a very skilled mathematician. So it's a good parody IF you're okay with laughing at something that Rand never actually wrote.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by unalone » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:36 PM UTC

electromagnetic wrote: post #30

unalone wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, obviously. People who hate Rand loathe her, and people who love Rand are annoying and misphrase her stuff and say stupid things. At the core of her philosophy is the belief that you should live for yourself, that you should do things not because other people want you to but because you want to, that you should never feel guilty for the things that you can do that other people can't, and that the worst kind of p…

The philosophy behind the book is good, the politics are stupid from whatever point you look at it. It typifies both stereotypes of capitalism, for the left wing 'capitalism = evil' and for the right wing 'capitalism = glorious'. From a literary stand point, Rands work is the pulp fiction of politics. It plays the traditional stereotypes and helped make the woman famous (specifically in the USA, I believe the word is…

But it takes a much more friendly approach to some pretty heavy philosophical things. I and my friends moved from Rand to Emerson. Reading Emerson (or his contemporary Thoreau) at 16 is a pain unless you have motivation to read his thoughts, and Rand provides that motivation.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Post by jobeirne » Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:52 PM UTC

Devilboy wrote: post #33

electromagnetic wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The philosophy behind the book is good, the politics are stupid from whatever point you look at it. It typifies both stereotypes of capitalism, for the left wing 'capitalism = evil' and for the right wing 'capitalism = glorious'. From a literary stand point, Rands work is the pulp fiction of politics. It plays the traditional stereotypes and helped make the woman famous (specifically in the USA, I believe the word is…

I always think of Bob's take on it all: http://www.angryflower.com/atlass.gif

This is a perfect testament to the masses of people who think they understand (and thus have license to lay valid criticism on) Rand because they read the first 30 pages of Atlas Shrugged.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing some pseudo-sophisto unload on Rand at a cocktail party, their insults and blind lambasting only to abate when confronted with questions about Rand's actual philosophy and works as opposed to her reputation.