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With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Coming from Europe and suffering two recessions caused by US economics, all which Ayn Rand promoted I hope this crap never gets turned into a film. The economy grows at a fair rate on average, yet Rand's aggressive-free-market capitalism basically promotes trying to grow the economy at 5000% until pop and everyone who doesn't have $500 million in the bank gets screwed over. I'm sorry, but when someone gets fired and…

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Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Coming from Europe and suffering two recessions caused by US economics, all which Ayn Rand promoted I hope this crap never gets turned into a film. The economy grows at a fair rate on average, yet Rand's aggressive-free-market capitalism basically promotes trying to grow the economy at 5000% until pop and everyone who doesn't have $500 million in the bank gets screwed over. I'm sorry, but when someone gets fired and…

This comment doesn't deserve its negative rating. This is not reddit folks.

Perhaps that's an indication that discussions of Ayn Rand are bound to end up like this and simply ought to be avoided on this site? :-)

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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I tried to read 'Atlas Shrugged' recently. I only got a few chapters in before I lost interest. But I am not really much of a novel reader. Is it worth reading the Galt speech on its own? If so, where in the books is it (I'm not reading 1,100 pages to find it)?

I've read the book a few times. I've always ended up skipping over the last half of the Galt speech, so the idea of skipping the rest of the book just to read that never ending speech seems funny to me.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Everyone who I know that's read Atlas Shrugged (including myself) turned into a selfish jerk for at least a month after reading it. God help us if the "Ayn Rand temporary jerk phenomenon" is unleashed through movie theaters all at once. It's a good book but like anything else people extrapolate the points beyond recognition and additionally interpret it to re-enforce their own views, regardless of how unreasonable th…

While that's kind of true (after reading a book which extols rationality and logic above all, seeing constant irrationality in daily life does tend to make someone a little apprehensive), I find another common symptom of the post-Shrug reading is a feeling of helplessness and even to some a sort of depression - you see how society crumbles around the heroes in the book, only to see many parallels in reality. The feeling that society cannot be fixed is an overwhelming one to someone who takes Rand's ideas seriously, and does unquestionably lead to the feelings of anger (this feeling is not just isolated to Rand readers either, but to anyone who looks at the "big pictures"). It usually takes a while for new Objectivists to shake that feeling and start focusing on the good things in life, rather than the bad. But before that, the desire to "Go Galt" and abandon society for your own quasi-utopian refuge becomes very strong.

Personally, though, I find the "selfish jerk" thing more as a result of "The Fountainhead" than "Atlas Shrugged," though at the same time, I think TF is the right book to read before AS. TF prepares you for the "self", while AS applies all that to society.

All that said, while Atlas Shrugged can be an extremely depressing book (the constant feeling of "How can this get worse" coupled with the inevitable "Oh, this is how"), it's also a very uplifting book. After almost every reading session with AS, I found myself with a burning desire to work, to improve my business, to "go get it" and seize life. The heroes resonate very well with those who absolutely love their work.

The only other book that has come close to as uplifting a feeling as Atlas Shrugged (for me) is Founders at Work, because many of the people interviewed in that book share the same passion for their work as the heroes in AS, and pull off monumental achievements.

Will the movie be any good? I'm not holding my breath, but I'd love to see someone like Cate Blanchett play Dagny.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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Coming from Europe and suffering two recessions caused by US economics, all which Ayn Rand promoted I hope this crap never gets turned into a film. The economy grows at a fair rate on average, yet Rand's aggressive-free-market capitalism basically promotes trying to grow the economy at 5000% until pop and everyone who doesn't have $500 million in the bank gets screwed over. I'm sorry, but when someone gets fired and…

This comment doesn't deserve its negative rating. This is not reddit folks.

All over the Internet (even a few other forums for the highly intelligent), there are people trying to blame the recession the "unfettered capitalism" we've apparently gained over the last decade. At HN, I expect people to know better, or, at least, to only have to be taught once.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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It's been going for over 35 years, Jolie was cast but in 2008 got pregnant and the project is dead again. I personally hope it stays dead, the last thing we need is something else promoting government inaction, which gave us this problem in the first place. The main reason the financial crisis happened was pure greed and the reason people got away with being so greedy was because they were allowed to. Umm... what's t…

>I hope Ayn Rand's work is dead and gone so that at least my generation isn't going to suffer the complete stupidity. I think a work of literature that has had such an impact should never be lost or forgotten no matter how much you disagree with the content. Mein Kampf is a great example of this.

Honestly, for all I dislike Rand's work, as a writer I'd have to agree.

From a sociological point of view, ignoring your history (either physical history like WW2 or economic and political history) is likely to cause the problems to repeat.

Re: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

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This comment doesn't deserve its negative rating. This is not reddit folks.

Perhaps that's an indication that discussions of Ayn Rand are bound to end up like this and simply ought to be avoided on this site? :-)

I'll give you that.

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Of course, that's what everybody said about Watchmen. I've never read the book, but I've heard a lot about Ayn Rand's philosophy, none of it good.

Well, obviously. People who hate Rand loathe her, and people who love Rand are annoying and misphrase her stuff and say stupid things. At the core of her philosophy is the belief that you should live for yourself, that you should do things not because other people want you to but because you want to, that you should never feel guilty for the things that you can do that other people can't, and that the worst kind of p…

The philosophy behind the book is good, the politics are stupid from whatever point you look at it. It typifies both stereotypes of capitalism, for the left wing 'capitalism = evil' and for the right wing 'capitalism = glorious'.

From a literary stand point, Rands work is the pulp fiction of politics. It plays the traditional stereotypes and helped make the woman famous (specifically in the USA, I believe the word is infamous elsewhere) without contributing anything truly new or unique to the discourse.

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