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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by cfc_uk_ »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #57
Xylakant wrote: post #44

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The problem I see here is that you snapped a picture and posted it in public - being prosecutor, judge, jury and executor in one person. That's not how things should work out. There's two sides of the story and I think it would have been better if a neutral party heard both sides instead of public summary execution. The guys conduct may not have been appropriate, but IMHO yours was not as well. Had you done all of th…

Sorry but the company were judge, jury and executor, not her. If you report a crime to the police and as a result the person gets sent to prison did you send them to prison? Of course not. She reported something that happened (which the person in question doesn't deny) - that's a reasonable thing to do. The neutral party you ask for should then be the employer who can listen to both sides of the story and work out th…

"she reported something" ??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?

OMG - can you imagine if we all went around "reporting" things online what a terrible world we would look like. What was there to report???????? I would have simply turned around and given them the glare that said..."I know you have a small pen1s so stop overcompensating with your lame jokes". I am 99.9% certain that a look in their direction would have been the end of it all. These guys were totally blindsided and targeted. Just because they got "stupid" for a minute does not make them bad people that should be REPORTED!!!!!!!!

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by cfc_uk_ »

commentor wrote: post #619
tripleggg wrote: post #502

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"I'm a developer evangelist" This is code for professional bullshitter. We (the real developers) don't need any "evangelizing." Our work speaks for itself.

FYI - she took your picture and published it, without a model release . . . technically, per the letter of the law - that is illegal . . . just sayin'

I think that if you are in a public space you have no expectation of privacy therefore your picture can be taken...what is allowed or not allowed after that... I don't know. I do think that she had a responsibility to blur out Alex's name on his badge though.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by pseudosmith »

mnicole wrote: post #662
abentwookie wrote: post #642

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Its simple: When you are in public learn to think before you speak. Its really not that difficult. I have enough sense not just blurt out things that could offend others when I am in public so I don't have these problems.

People with this mindset have never been to a conference this size before or they're forgetting what the environment is like. You are going to come across opinions and jokes that may not be in your taste, and it is up to you to either choose to ignore them because you were not a part of that conversation, or to discretely alert someone to the presence of this humor because you think it is actually harmful to people a…

^^ This

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by domah »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #86
jorgenev wrote: post #39

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How fragile are women, really? It seems amazing to me that they don't all just shatter the day they are born (from what I read on the internet at least).

It's not a case of how fragile they are, it how much they have been, and still are, disadvantaged by the way society is structured. Things have improved in recent years but look at average salaries, representation in government, representation at senior levels in companies and so on and tell me that it's all sorted. And if women aren't being fairly represented at the top (unless you're saying that there have in histo…

Don’t believe the crap about the patriarchy. More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men. More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence, including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting f*cked over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn’t make it true. Men have nothing to feel guilty about.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by pseudosmith »

rdtsc wrote: post #390
rdtsc wrote: post #268

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Alright thanks.

Ok it seems SendGrid might be the company that Adria works for not the company that fired the guy. Guy's company is PlayHeaven. If I see either one of their companies' booths I will make sure to have 'a nice' chat with them.

Why don't you get all the facts before making a jackass out of yourself. I see yu have at least realized that SendGrid was not HIS employer before you, too tuned into "Joan of Arc". The SendGrid CEO terminated her quickly and fir the right reasons. So...if you see him in a booth, offer to buy him a beer.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by vickib »

abentwookie wrote: post #644
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #643

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> blurt out things that could offend others Do you have a comprehensive list? Is it calibrated to what country or audience you are in, or do you just avoid saying anything that could offend anyone anywhere. I made a joke about corruption once that hit too close to home for the people I was with, if I would have thought harder about where I was I should have kept my mouth shut.

Yes, my common sense tells what is appropriate and what isn't in public. You have to keep in mind that every single person has something that they are sensitive about and they usually have a legitimate reason for that. Thew problem is a lot of people don't have a filter between their brain and their mouth. They just say whatever is on their mind without thinking. And this is what can happen when you do that. I basica…

Argh! Ack! I am offended by your use of the word douchebag. You did not stop to think. Where is your filter? Argh. Ack.

"Common sense" isn't as "common as we like to think, is it? "Public" is a state of mind.

Adria was overhearing a conversation not meant for her ears. It was her error.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by pseudosmith »

zshprompt wrote: post #163
selenamarie wrote: post #156

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Unclear on why you are explaining the internet to me.

Sorry too bummed out about the situation to parse your previous. Everyone is applauding Adria for her courage, but taking someone's photo and posting it on twitter is not speaking out. I know that turning to someone and saying "what you said is offensive to me" or reporting them to the staff is not easy, but nevertheless it was the correct course of action. She smiled and took a picture of those guys. She never even…

"Because of my experiences growing up, I have triggers. This means that I’m always scanning for danger; for situations that seem like something from the past that could hurt me. When I recognize something that matches, I can overreact and feel intense fear, anger or anxiety. "

Well that pretty much sums it all up, doesn't it? The young lady has issues.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by pseudosmith »

nawitus wrote: post #338
bobwaycott wrote: post #305

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Hey, thanks for the compliment and kind words. I appreciate that. However, I must emphatically and proudly express that I do not support the negation and devaluing of women's (as well as ethnic, [other] cultural, LGBT, etc.) rights by way of reactionary countering with a "men's rights" movement. One of the most pressing reasons is that such a movement would likely result in a majority of white, heterosexual male adhe…

"However, I must emphatically and proudly express that I do not support the negation and devaluing of women's (as well as ethnic, [other] cultural, LGBT, etc.) rights by way of reactionary countering with a "men's rights" movement." Then you don't support equality. Men have the same amount of gender equality issues (maybe even more) than women in Western countries. "From a historical perspective alone" History has no…

A "men's rights" movement reminds me of some white supremacist making a comment about "white rights".

And it is just as pathetic.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by pseudosmith »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #394
tylerhwillis wrote: post #388

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>do women get raped more than men (not in USA) This is very wrong. The link you provide in the original comment is for violent crimes (including rape), not for rape alone. There is little doubt that women are more likely to be raped in the US than men. Here's a relevant study from the Bureau of Justice Statistics: http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1146 "Overall, an estimated 91% of the victims of rape and sexu…

>" Overall, an estimated 91% of the victims of rape and sexual assault were female. " // It may not change the ratio but of course one must remember that is "victims of rape and sexual assaults that were reported and recorded as such". The study linked, (text version http://bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/SOO.TXT ) says only a third of the rapes reported to them were reported to police and in my cursory glance I couldn't s…

"Forced to penetrate" LMAO. Ludicrous.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by aftermath »

adriarichards wrote: post #27
mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launch…

> Yes, this time I decided I didn't want to argue my perspective.

So arguing or reporting him were your only options? Would not a simple "shush" have sufficed? You have some very serious man-hating anger issues.

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