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Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost
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#42You guys realize, all this shit (all if it, Adria, the "post-mortem" blog posts, etc), is just a land grab for page views right? http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Me-Lying-Confessions-Manipulator...
Wait, you're saying Adria traded her job for a few page views and death threats?
Do I think that was her intention? No, I think that part spiraled out of control. Do I think this spawned from a PR person looking for the page views? Yes.
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#43For the life of me I cannot fathom why PlayHaven went to the extreme step of firing the dev in question. What he did was certainly wrong, but certainly not a firable offense. A stern warning from HR would've sufficed. Also, I don't understand the hate and DDoS directed towards SendGrid. I think if any, PlayHaven should've been subject of it and pressured to reinstate the dev in question. SendGrid should've been press…
>What he did was certainly wrong, but certainly not a firable offense. It's probably not his first offense. It's more likely that this was just the straw that broke the camel's back rather than his first infraction. >Also, I don't understand the hate and DDoS directed towards SendGrid. 4chan's politics+/b/ boards are chiefly responsible for the DDOS, as far as I know. Those guys love mob mentality and eye-for-an-eye,…
"It's probably not his first offense."
Even if that's true (and I've got no clue either way), it's at least in retrospect turned out to be a _spectacularly_ bad PR move for them.
If they wanted him gone - they should have fired him "privately", doing something like that as such an obvious response to "internet drama" was _always_ going to be "the wrong thing". (Even it it _was_ "the last straw", they should have waited a week or two - if only just to publicly disconnect their HR processes from being twitter/forum shitstorm driven.)
Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost
#44Well said. The last paragraph sums it all up perfectly:
"I imagine in an alternate future, Adria just turned around,
smiled and whispered, “Hey. No offense, but I’m not all that
interested in hearing about your dongle, you know?’. The men
would have become momentarily embarrassed, and then reflexively
defensive before letting their rational neurons fire in that
crowded room and say, “yeah, dude, no problem”. Maybe one of
them would have approached Adria later in the day and pulled her
aside to say “hey, I really didn’t mean to offend you, I’m
sorry. Hope there’s no hard feelings.” In this alternate future,
at a future conference that developer quietly steers a
conversation amongst friends away from this territory, without
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#45Let's simplify the rules to basic decency. Don't Be a Dick. Oh wait, I guess I can't say that now. Well, fuck me. Whoops, can't say that either.
I hope mr-hank gets a huge severance out of PlayHaven. (At-will employment is not as simple as employers like to say it is.) At this point, he has position for something substantial, given that they discussed the termination in the public (disclosing an opinion that he is guilty) when he is a non-public employee. He should not just focus on termination (long odds) but also defamation of character and, unless they give the best of references, tortious interference. He ought to play hardball. Oh, whoops. Not sure I can say that either.
This nonsense about "offensive jokes" is ridiculous and distracts people away from the real sexism. I think we should care more about women earning 77 cents on the dollar and having an unfairly hard time recovering their career progress after maternity than about an occasional dongle joke. There are real problems and whatever Adria just tripped on is not one of them.
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#46I think the most interesting part of this post was a simple observation that I, for one, hadn't seen elsewhere: We don't know why PlayHaven fired the dev in the first place. Sure, the controversy undoubtedly played a role. But we don't know if the dev was on the ropes, if he wasn't pulling his weight, or if his boss simply didn't like him. This may have been a gross overreaction, or it may have been the straw that br…
I doubt if there was any other case than the controversy. I doubt that the dev was any where incompetent. I say this simply because of the dev's interest in attending a conference and his company sponsoring it to him using forking and dongles in a sentence... those are simply good signals of a good developer and he being happy at his job. I feel that Pay Haven responded in a most defensive way by simply firing him and getting it out of their shoulders.
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#47"In attempting to unveil casual misogyny in the tech field, Adria has accidentally revealed the actual misogyny that lies in our industry, and there's nothing casual about it."
Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost
#48I think the most interesting part of this post was a simple observation that I, for one, hadn't seen elsewhere: We don't know why PlayHaven fired the dev in the first place. Sure, the controversy undoubtedly played a role. But we don't know if the dev was on the ropes, if he wasn't pulling his weight, or if his boss simply didn't like him. This may have been a gross overreaction, or it may have been the straw that br…
I doubt if there was any other case than the controversy. I doubt that the dev was any where incompetent. I say this simply because of the dev's interest in attending a conference and his company sponsoring it to him using forking and dongles in a sentence... those are simply good signals of a good developer and he being happy at his job. I feel that Pay Haven responded in a most defensive way by simply firing him an…
It may well be the case that the controversy was the only factor in his termination, but none of us have the requisite information to confidently make that claim.
Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost
#49I think the most interesting part of this post was a simple observation that I, for one, hadn't seen elsewhere: We don't know why PlayHaven fired the dev in the first place. Sure, the controversy undoubtedly played a role. But we don't know if the dev was on the ropes, if he wasn't pulling his weight, or if his boss simply didn't like him. This may have been a gross overreaction, or it may have been the straw that br…
http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/
PlayHaven adressed this directly. They are blaming it on the incident at PyCon.
Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost
#50Extremists play a role. Where do you draw the line on sexualisation at a tech conference? Perhaps we need unpopular people like Adria to create debate on what is acceptable and what isn't. I don't always agree with RMS but I think the world is a better place for having him around influencing opinion one way or another. At least these people aren't flying planes into buildings though shaming people with photos is clea…
"Where do you draw the line on sexualisation at a tech conference?"
I hope that this discussion helps us get closer to a good answer to that question.