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Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

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Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

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Good article.

I agree there is rampant sexism in tech, and in society in general. I've seen it, lots. I'm not convinced a couple of guys chuckling at "Big Dongles" is sexism, though it is inappropriate for a professional event.

But now we get the picture of Adria Richards and it does seem to be one of someone looking out for ways to be offended and publicise herself with them.

And then there's the DDoS and the threats. Utterly un-fucking-acceptable.

There's not really anyone that comes out of this looking good.

Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

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I think the most interesting part of this post was a simple observation that I, for one, hadn't seen elsewhere:

We don't know why PlayHaven fired the dev in the first place.

Sure, the controversy undoubtedly played a role. But we don't know if the dev was on the ropes, if he wasn't pulling his weight, or if his boss simply didn't like him. This may have been a gross overreaction, or it may have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

As story-driven creatures, we constantly seek to form narratives around events. As sensation-seekers, we inherently care more about emotional impact than veracity when we craft the mental stories that tie events together and give them meaning. This is not to say that we are incapable of detached, rational thought, but rather that our brains don't default to that mode.

One of my biggest personal takeaways from this sordid tale is just a reaffirmation of that fact: that even smart, rational people, who get paid to be smart and rational, will blindly abandon reason in pursuit of a good story. This incident blew up into a tabloid-like frenzy because smart people abandoned reason in favour of sensation. Moreover, this is not due to some personal flaw on their parts: it's simply how we, as human beings, are built.

If anything positive comes from this, I hope it's simply a greater recognition on the parts of all concerned of our propensity to engage in this kind of behaviour, and the mental processes that lead to it. Maybe we can be a little more measured in our appraisal of future incidents like this.

Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

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I don't think trying to get all analytic and Freudian about her state of mind is either

1) Intellectually honest (since you most likely don't know anything about her) 2) Useful in the scope of this discussion

I'm not at all advocating for or against her actions, I'm too remote from the affair to be judge of anything, but please let's not let it slip on a personal terrain, you're simply putting personal theories on the table here, maybe she's better adjusted than all other parties involved for all we know.

Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

#25

I think the most interesting part of this post was a simple observation that I, for one, hadn't seen elsewhere: We don't know why PlayHaven fired the dev in the first place. Sure, the controversy undoubtedly played a role. But we don't know if the dev was on the ropes, if he wasn't pulling his weight, or if his boss simply didn't like him. This may have been a gross overreaction, or it may have been the straw that br…

"We don't know why PlayHaven fired the dev in the first place."

Many, including myself, have raised the question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5418714 1 hour ago

Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

#26
There's a lesson to be learned here, that a gender war leads nowhere. While sensational, this event has little substance. It's all about conferences (shows) and appearances. None of the two was fired because of their work. There's barely anything useful that can be taken away from this story and added to a company's moral code. The real gender issues have little to do with these high profile tech soap operas.

Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

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Amanda Blum apparently has a history of animosity with Adria Richards, while at the same time she also isn't one of those who would stick their fingers in their ears and say there isn't sexism in tech. That makes this post pretty interesting.

FWIW, she discloses that in the post - and explains why in ways that are pretty easy to fact-check if anyone wonders if it's justified.

I haven't bothered personally to fact-check whether Adria hijacked a newbie talk at a conference to push an anti-porn crusade based solely on another (female) presenter's presentation title, on the grounds that Amanda could get called out on that in an instant if it weren't true.

I know which of the two has come out looking fair-and-balanced, and which has come out looking borderline-unhinged here, at least from my point of view.

Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

#28

You guys realize, all this shit (all if it, Adria, the "post-mortem" blog posts, etc), is just a land grab for page views right? http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Me-Lying-Confessions-Manipulator...

Except this time, like the case with the family run makeup distributor (Turning point in the book), her attempts at creating drama has hurt someone. [Yet she doesn't exhibit remorse for her actions (Unlike Mr. Holiday)]

Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

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For the life of me I cannot fathom why PlayHaven went to the extreme step of firing the dev in question. What he did was certainly wrong, but certainly not a firable offense. A stern warning from HR would've sufficed. Also, I don't understand the hate and DDoS directed towards SendGrid. I think if any, PlayHaven should've been subject of it and pressured to reinstate the dev in question. SendGrid should've been press…

>What he did was certainly wrong, but certainly not a firable offense. It's probably not his first offense. It's more likely that this was just the straw that broke the camel's back rather than his first infraction. >Also, I don't understand the hate and DDoS directed towards SendGrid. 4chan's politics+/b/ boards are chiefly responsible for the DDOS, as far as I know. Those guys love mob mentality and eye-for-an-eye,…

Also, "wrong"? It was immature to be sure, but "wrong"?? There are no ethics at play here.

Re: Adria Richards, PyCon, and How We All Lost

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"Because of my experiences growing up, I have triggers. This means that I’m always scanning for danger; for situations that seem like something from the past that could hurt me. When I recognize something that matches, I can overreact and feel intense fear, anger or anxiety. This is something I’ve worked on a lot. It’s much better now than 10 years ago but there are some things that send me over the edge." http://but…

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