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Re: Google Keep

#101

Post by jayfuerstenberg »

michaelwww wrote: post #78
mindstab wrote: post #64

Warren Ellis: Dear Google: why launch Google Keep when you've just proven you'll shut off productivity services when you get bored with maintaining them? https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/314493398138630145

Why can't Google be like the rest of the tech industry with perpetual free services and 0 file format changes?

Google wants your data so it can better target you with ads (how Google makes money).

When they realize they want more from you they change things around to make that easy.

If/when they figure out it costs more money to run that pseudo-free service they unplug it.

People then get upset. But that's not Google's fault. We need to consider ourselves lucky that it lasted as long as it did.

Re: Google Keep

#102

Post by jayfuerstenberg »

capkutay wrote: post #88
mindstab wrote: post #64

Warren Ellis: Dear Google: why launch Google Keep when you've just proven you'll shut off productivity services when you get bored with maintaining them? https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/314493398138630145

For this product, I'm more concerned about integration with iOS devices. I love being able to access evernote on my iPad and iPhone. I doubt that Apple will allow lots of iOS integration with anything having to do with Google Drive/anything that helps Android's cause.

iOS developers can use the Google Drive SDK.

I don't think Apple will block that.

Apple already allows Dropbox SDK apps.

Re: Google Keep

#104

Post by jayfuerstenberg »

pasbesoin wrote: post #70

Waiting on Google Discard.

It sounds like something Google would actually do.

Like a black hole service for making objectionable internet material just vanish, never to be reachable again when logged into your Google account.

I'd add " https://drive.google.com/keep/ " to it.

Re: Google Keep

#105

Post by bebna »

foxylad wrote: post #91
threepipeproblm wrote: post #57

Ha like I will ever enter into dependence on another Google app.

I'd love to know how you posted that comment, then. Because if you've stopped using anything from Google because they ditched Reader, presumably you've also sworn off all Microsoft products (they killed Clippy!), anything from Apple (R.I.P. QuickDraw 3D), Ubuntu (oh Gnome2, how I loved thee)... And you won't be using any internet provider since they ditched gopher, or dial-up over the phone service because the bastar…

U can't get gopher over your ISP? Thats a new one!

Re: Google Keep

#106

Post by michaelwww »

jayfuerstenberg wrote: post #101
michaelwww wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't Google be like the rest of the tech industry with perpetual free services and 0 file format changes?

Google wants your data so it can better target you with ads (how Google makes money). When they realize they want more from you they change things around to make that easy. If/when they figure out it costs more money to run that pseudo-free service they unplug it. People then get upset. But that's not Google's fault. We need to consider ourselves lucky that it lasted as long as it did.

I tried it, didn't like it and moved on to a newsreader I liked better. The only explanation I can come up with for all the emotion is that these people have abandonment issues.

Re: Google Keep

#107

Post by pseut »

dragonwriter wrote: post #99
pseut wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between "use" and "rely on," and I think one would have to be a fool to not factor in a startup's viability (as best as possible) when deciding whether or not to integrate its product into one's workflow. If you use dropbox, do you use it the same way now as you did when it was in beta? Or do you trust it more now? If you don't use dropbox, I'm sure you can think of similar examples that make the…

> But I think it's fair to consider google's track record with similar products over the last decade when debating whether or not to use keep. How is a standalone, non-monetized product like Reader similar to a feature of Google Drive (one of the core elements of the paid Google Apps.)

Reader is viewed as standalone now. IIRC it was introduced pretty soon after google accounts were and not long after gmail itself, and I remember thinking about it as part of a nebulous "google account package." Now obviously in hindsight I was wrong, but to act as though it is obvious now that "keep" is going to be around and updated for a long time is absurd. All of these products: reader, wave, buzz, notebooks, alerts, feedburner; looked like they'd be around and supported for a while when they were introduced.

I don's see how monetized vs. non-monetized is a relevant issue, unless I am completely off in how much of google's revenue comes from advertising. Google search is just as free as reader was and was just as non-monetized at first. I don't think that a significant percent of google's revenues come from Drive, but if you have contradictory data I'll concede the point that Drive is likely to be around in some form. That still doesn't prevent them from introducing and removing features of google drive; features like Keep.

Edit (forgot one thing): the other point illustrated by reader is that google is more focused than it was 8 years ago. I can't imagine a product like reader lasting 8 years if it were introduced today.

Re: Google Keep

#108

Post by dragonwriter »

pseut wrote: post #107
dragonwriter wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I think it's fair to consider google's track record with similar products over the last decade when debating whether or not to use keep. How is a standalone, non-monetized product like Reader similar to a feature of Google Drive (one of the core elements of the paid Google Apps.)

Reader is viewed as standalone now. IIRC it was introduced pretty soon after google accounts were and not long after gmail itself, and I remember thinking about it as part of a nebulous "google account package." Now obviously in hindsight I was wrong, but to act as though it is obvious now that "keep" is going to be around and updated for a long time is absurd. All of these products: reader, wave, buzz, notebooks, al…

> Edit (forgot one thing): the other point illustrated by reader is that google is more focused than it was 8 years ago. I can't imagine a product like reader lasting 8 years if it were introduced today.

I can't see a product like Reader (in terms of its weak connection to any coherent long-term Google strategy, not its primary features) being released by Google today. Which is, incidentally, just another way of saying that cancellation of products that originated before Google's "more wood behind fewer arrows" focus isn't really a good yardstick for Google's commitment to products released under that new regime, for reasons which should be pretty obvious.

Re: Google Keep

#109

Post by dragonwriter »

mindstab wrote: post #64

Warren Ellis: Dear Google: why launch Google Keep when you've just proven you'll shut off productivity services when you get bored with maintaining them? https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/314493398138630145

> Warren Ellis: Dear Google: why launch Google Keep when you've just proven you'll shut off productivity services when you get bored with maintaining them?

It probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense to assume that services introduced after Google announced that they were going to start trimming old offerings that didn't warrant support and increase the focus on what they do introduce are likely to be closed just because Google is closing services introduced before that effort was announced.

The whole point of that effort is to kill the existing zombie offerings and stop creating new ones.

Re: Google Keep

#110

Post by dragonwriter »

taligent wrote: post #48
bicknergseng wrote: post #26

So many "they killed reader how can I ever trust Google again" comments. As if everything ever has been permanent and Evernote will outlast humanity. It's a minimal todo list for godsakes.

Evernote is a very successful company with a successful business model and whilst I don't expect them to outlast humanity I do expect at least a few years. Google has a well established record now for abandoning projects. Especially those that are free.

> Google has a well established record now for abandoning projects.

Google has a well-established record for closing services that were introduced before they announced that they would be closing services that were languishing and working to stop introducing services that would languish that way.

I'm not sure how that warrants suspicion about closing directed at services introduced after that focus was announced.

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