I think Google has chased away the early adopter, free evangelists.
I would hope that early adopters know the risks of early adoption.
Google Keep
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Re: Google Keep
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data from Google Notebook wasn't lost, just transfered over to Google Docs.
Well, that's true, and to Google's immense credit they're very good about letting go of data- I was referring more to losing the product itself.
The product wasn't great. I used it quite extensively (I didn't know of any other services) and it was filled with problems with layouts and pasting with styles.
While I wasn't thrilled to see it go, it shouldn't have been that huge of a shock to anyone. If anything, the best features from Google Notebook have made their way into Google Drive.
Re: Google Keep
#73So many "they killed reader how can I ever trust Google again" comments. As if everything ever has been permanent and Evernote will outlast humanity. It's a minimal todo list for godsakes.
Evernote is a very successful company with a successful business model and whilst I don't expect them to outlast humanity I do expect at least a few years. Google has a well established record now for abandoning projects. Especially those that are free.
Let's get some perspective here: Google Reader ran for 8 years, far outlasting the majority of Web sites and Apps launched in that time. Evernote has only been around since 2008, where will it be in its 8th year of life? What happens if Apple builds a really great Evernote competitor into Siri?
With the attitude expressed in the comments here, one should never ever use any startup's new product, because 99% of them will fail, and they probably won't have anything like Google Takeout to help you migrate before they are shutdown.
Re: Google Keep
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's only Android 4 and higher. Awful.
You can bet that they will release an iOS app in the coming weeks. As for people on Android 2.x, buy a new phone or yell at your phone manufacturer for not upgrading you to 4.x. Android 4.x brought some pretty massive changes to APIs and behavior that it is not worth Google's time to continue to support it. They would rather try and push as many people as they can to 4.x.
The posted url opened and worked fine for me on this ipad.
Re: Google Keep
#75Warren Ellis: Dear Google: why launch Google Keep when you've just proven you'll shut off productivity services when you get bored with maintaining them? https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/314493398138630145
Precisely.
I'd thought of building something like this for my own use last autumn, and ironically actually started building it over the weekend[1] (GF away for the week).
When I was young and naive, reading that one of the big boys was getting into the space where I'd just started a project would have scared me off and I'd have abandoned it. In recent, more clued-up years I'd have thought "ah, market validation!" and ramped up my development effort. Now, in the light of the Reader abandonment, it's more like a feeling of joy that Google will educate the world about how great an idea this is, and then abandon it just about when I have something that other people might actually want to use.
Re: Google Keep
#76everything from google is a living dead
Re: Google Keep
#77Warren Ellis: Dear Google: why launch Google Keep when you've just proven you'll shut off productivity services when you get bored with maintaining them? https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/314493398138630145
Why would it matter if they shut it down? With Google Takeout[1] Google has proven to be be pretty good about making sure users can move their data out of Google's services.
So you use Keep it ends up being good[2], but then 1 year from now Google announces it'll be shut down. Oh no! I guess I just have to download all my data from Keep and upload it to Evernote.
I understand people (although seemingly more people than actually used the product) are upset about Reader, and justifiably so, but I think it's a little hyperbolic to evaluate every new Google product in that light.
[1] https://www.google.com/takeout/
[2]I haven't used and don't really plan to, so I have no idea whether or not it's good.
Re: Google Keep
#78Warren Ellis: Dear Google: why launch Google Keep when you've just proven you'll shut off productivity services when you get bored with maintaining them? https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/314493398138630145
Why can't Google be like the rest of the tech industry with perpetual free services and 0 file format changes?
Re: Google Keep
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is extremely minimal, I'd honestly expect more from a Google product. Given the fact that they are saying access from the Drive UI is coming soon, I suspect the release was rushed after the accidental leak. I wouldn't expect them to release a new Drive app when that requires a separate URL before its integrated into the Drive UI. OTOH, its not unheard of for Google to introduce a new service in a fairly minima…
Given the fact that they are saying access from the Drive UI is coming soon Do you have a link for that? I was wondering why it wasn't integrated better with the rest of Drive, and that would make sense.
The official announcement: http://googledrive.blogspot.com/#!/2013/03/google-keepsave-w...
Last sentence: "You can access, edit and create new notes on the web at http://drive.google.com/keep and in the coming weeks you'll be able to do the same directly from Google Drive."
Re: Google Keep
#80Warren Ellis: Dear Google: why launch Google Keep when you've just proven you'll shut off productivity services when you get bored with maintaining them? https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/314493398138630145
Precisely. I'd thought of building something like this for my own use last autumn, and ironically actually started building it over the weekend[1] (GF away for the week). When I was young and naive, reading that one of the big boys was getting into the space where I'd just started a project would have scared me off and I'd have abandoned it. In recent, more clued-up years I'd have thought "ah, market validation!" and…
> Now, in the light of the Reader abandonment, it's more like a feeling of joy that Google will educate the world about how great an idea this is, and then abandon it just about when I have something that other people might actually want to use.
Drive, while also available for free, part of the core of the paid Google Apps offering, and its (as the parallel to OneNote) a key part of Google Apps being an alternative to Microsoft Office (and, consequently, to ChromeOS with Google Apps being an alternative to Windows with Microsoft Office).
Its hardly positioned similarly to Reader which, however popular it may have been with a segment that is overrepresented among active participants of online forums focussed on technology, was pretty distant from any core strategic focus for Google.
So, I wouldn't bank on Google canceling this any time soon (or even in 8 years, as happened with Reader.)