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Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by Karunamon »

djcapelis wrote: post #149
Karunamon wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But it's also inappropriate (read: fucking insane) to boycott a company because you don't like what one of their employees posts on their personal twitter account. What's good for the goose... I.e. if it's only fair for someone to be canned based on the postings on some random's personal twitter account, it's only fair for it to work in reverse. Employers can people based on their personal lives all the time. Also,…

> What's good for the goose... I think firing either party was a pretty daft idea for all types of poultry, or in this case, human beings. > Employers can people based on their personal lives all the time. Yeah, I think I'm saying I'm saying that in a lot of circumstances, that's pretty lame and we actively, as a community, saying that type of reaction is unwise. Instead, you have someone calling for it. This is only…

A tweet and a blog post that named and shamed two people, personally, in what I believe to be the biggest example of blowing something out of proportion in recent memory.

So if I get this right..

Someone says a joke that offends you, in earshot, but not to you, and you take this as your opportunity to photograph them, get them kicked out of a con, fired, pilloried in public? And then you take to your blog to defend yourself (not really) with an incessant repeating of "I'm in the right! I'm in the right!" (paraphrased)

Let me say this as clearly as I can: Anyone who would engage in the behavior described in the previous paragraph is a colossal fucking idiot of the highest caliber, who I would think very long and hard about hiring or retaining employment for any job that required any kind of public interaction.

I am having trouble mustering words for how angry this makes me. Time to get off the internet for a while.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by tomp »

wpietri wrote: post #191
Joeboy wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, I am really puzzled as to why these "jokes" are supposed to be offensive to women. They might be offensive to people raised in some cultures / subcultures, and they don't sound like they're great jokes in any culture, but nobody ever told me about the meeting where women decided knob jokes were offensive. In fact a female friend texted me one about an hour ago.

Imagine this situation: You are walking down the street. It starts to rain, so you duck into the nearest business, a bar. You order a beer, and realize that you have stepped into a gay bar. The table behind you starts making jokes about how virgin anuses are the best. They are pretty big guys, leather daddies. You worry they're talking about you, about your anus. You worry. That feeling of discomfort? The way your he…

Were it ok if they were instead small, wimpy guys?

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by awj »

codesuela wrote: post #65
danilocampos wrote: post #22

Couple pieces to this. First – the fact that this guy's employer made a kneejerk reaction is no one's fault but the employer. Next – let's talk about this red herring of "sexism." Making a phallus joke might be sexist depending on context. Or it might not be. Sexism is not at issue here. The individual in question concedes that they did, in fact, make the joke. From PyCon's code of conduct: "All communication should…

Are you seriously suggesting the code of conduct applies to PRIVATE conversations between TWO people who obviously know each other? It is not like they meant to offend somebody. I am assuming they weren't talking loudly but rather meant to converse between each other. How I talk to my buddy is no ones fucking business. How about you tell your friend of of those an American, a Russian and a German walk into a bar joke…

They were sitting in an audience with over ten people inside of ten feet. It doesn't matter how private you want your conversation to be, in that kind of setting you will be overheard and should act accordingly.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by lizzard »

antirez wrote: post #161

This Andria that I don't know who she is at all and I don't care may be in error, or in bad faith, or whatever. But remember that to get another person fired you need a stupid cultural movement that is addressing sexism in the wrong way. So to start, blame the multitude of people that put the discussion at a level that the ancient greeks would mark as primitive. EDIT: On Reddit there is a comment that explains much b…

Thanks for the lesson in how to fix our oppression.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by [deleted] »

noname123 wrote: post #104

Let's be honest, political correctness culture is here to stay. The accused will be accused by the accuser who feels that they are standing up for racial/gender/sexual orientation equality. Then, there'll be a backlash against affirmative action/preferential treatment for those who feel that they are not privileged and have been reverse-discriminated. Publicly shaming this black woman is like condemning a person with…

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Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by tiredofcareer »

throwawayhooray wrote: post #131
tiredofcareer wrote: post #32

I think all of us would agree that technology has a sexism problem. However , the environment in 2013 and the way, as a whole, it seems that we have gone about countering it is roughly equivalent to napalming six city blocks to get rid of bedbugs in an apartment. (Edit: On reflection, a better analogy would be napalming New York City to eradicate bedbugs. I am aware of the scope of the sexism problem.) This little sa…

"I think all of us would agree that technology has a sexism problem." I'm working in an office without any African American males or Hispanic American males. Does technology have a racist problem?

I think it does, but that's not necessarily the reason why you don't work with diverse races. If I hire five white people, that doesn't mean I'm racist. If I hire five white people in preference to five black people, that means I'm racist. The sexism angle here is similar.

I also disagreed with shaming the conference that scheduled all white male speakers, as it was very likely unintentional and indicative of nothing larger except incompetence. People look for any reason to turn something into a Big Deal.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by edwardunknown »

So now when you google this chick you'll see she likes to start trouble and doesn't appreciate dongle humor. When you google Playhaven you'll see they fire people arbitrarily and also don't appreciate dongle humor.

And you'll see Mr. Dongle loves a good dongle joke and is entertaining to have around at a boring seminar. I think I know who comes out on top here.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by georgeorwell »

wpietri wrote: post #191
Joeboy wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, I am really puzzled as to why these "jokes" are supposed to be offensive to women. They might be offensive to people raised in some cultures / subcultures, and they don't sound like they're great jokes in any culture, but nobody ever told me about the meeting where women decided knob jokes were offensive. In fact a female friend texted me one about an hour ago.

Imagine this situation: You are walking down the street. It starts to rain, so you duck into the nearest business, a bar. You order a beer, and realize that you have stepped into a gay bar. The table behind you starts making jokes about how virgin anuses are the best. They are pretty big guys, leather daddies. You worry they're talking about you, about your anus. You worry. That feeling of discomfort? The way your he…

Straw man.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by oh_sigh »

wpietri wrote: post #191
Joeboy wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, I am really puzzled as to why these "jokes" are supposed to be offensive to women. They might be offensive to people raised in some cultures / subcultures, and they don't sound like they're great jokes in any culture, but nobody ever told me about the meeting where women decided knob jokes were offensive. In fact a female friend texted me one about an hour ago.

Imagine this situation: You are walking down the street. It starts to rain, so you duck into the nearest business, a bar. You order a beer, and realize that you have stepped into a gay bar. The table behind you starts making jokes about how virgin anuses are the best. They are pretty big guys, leather daddies. You worry they're talking about you, about your anus. You worry. That feeling of discomfort? The way your he…

If you wanted your scenario to be equivalent, you should have had the men making jokes about the size of their dicks.

If the two men at PyCon were making jokes about how virgin vaginas were the best, I don't think they would be getting the outpouring of support that they seem to be getting from the tech community.

You're very bad at crafting illuminating tales.

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