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Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by tomjakubowski »

blhack wrote: post #21
jamesaguilar wrote: post #13

I think there are a few points to be made here: - First-offense phallus jokes should probably not be dismissable. - Phallus jokes should probably not be made in professional, public contexts. - It would be surprising if the guy was a valuable member of the team and fired on this basis alone. - Adria's reaction probably didn't follow any principle of measured escalation. I take issue with folks who say "it's a harmles…

You know, I've been thinking... It's also pretty unprofessional to wear jeans to work, and beer after 4:00pm on Friday is just a lawsuit waiting to happen. Also the schedule that the developers keep is really unprofessional. If one of the accountants tried to show up at 11:00am, they'd be fired! I also saw some pictures of one of our devs at Burning Man last year. He was wearing some sort of black, canvas skirt, and…

Starting a 'nerf war' at work is entirely unprofessional, and I hope to never work with someone who is so childish as to think that's reasonable workplace behavior.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by SODaniel »

danilocampos wrote: post #22

Couple pieces to this. First – the fact that this guy's employer made a kneejerk reaction is no one's fault but the employer. Next – let's talk about this red herring of "sexism." Making a phallus joke might be sexist depending on context. Or it might not be. Sexism is not at issue here. The individual in question concedes that they did, in fact, make the joke. From PyCon's code of conduct: "All communication should…

Not being able to make sexually explicit jokes in private at a public conference is absolute ludicrous. No question that the offender here is the person posting this out of context and seemingly out of spite.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by tn13 »

This is what happens now:

In an all male team we decide to hire a girl. But then someone says "we wont be able to crack fallus jokes anymore? ".

Screw it lets hire a guy ...

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by Semaphor »

minimaxir wrote: post #29
Semaphor wrote: post #15

> the "forking" reference turned out to be a fabrication. > She never exchanged a word with the men. Anyone got a source for those claims? I thought her actions were undefendable the way she described them, but this would make it a whole different beast. And thanks to a lack of sources at the pastebin I don't know if that's true or made up (and I hadn't seen those mentioned anywhere so far).

From Adria's post: http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... I stood up slowly, turned around and took three, clear photos. I said back down, did another gut check and started composing a tweet. Three things came to me: act, speak and confront in the moment. I decided to do things differently this time and didn’t say anything to them directly. The true "forking" meaning was described in the HN p…

> The guy behind me to the far left was saying he didn’t find much value from the logging session that day. I agreed with him so I turned around and said so. He then went onto say that an earlier session he’d been to where the speaker was talking about images and visualization with Python was really good, even if it seemed to him the speaker wasn’t really an expert on images. He said he would be interested in forking the repo and continuing development.

Kinda hard to parse but I assume the guy is one of the two.

Thanks for the forking info

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by lazugod »

petercooper wrote: post #8
raganwald wrote: post #2

"Anyone can post a photo and get you fired." No, the photo did not get you fired, your employer's questionable policies got you fired. If indeed a phallus joke between two persons in a private conversation is not objectionable, why was this person fired? As I see it here, the more and more "transparent" our private lives become with cell phone cameras and always-on video glasses, the more protection employees need fr…

I wonder how long it'll be till we see the first "masked" conference, Italian style. Personal identities concealed! Could be kinda fun actually..

DefCon?

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by jamesaguilar »

nawitus wrote: post #49
jamesaguilar wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of speech (in the United States, according to the Constitution and historical rulings of the Supreme Court) is freedom from government intervention in political and artistic speech, not permission to make lewd jokes and be free of private or personal consequences.

One country doesn't define freedom of speech.

Actually, typically it is defined on a country-by-country basis, because it is the government of each country that is tasked with maintaining it (or not violating it). Since we are talking about a US-based employee and a US-based company, the American definition is the most (only?) relevant one.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by SODaniel »

integraton wrote: post #50

Her own phallus joke, as mentioned in the pastie, which she made on Twitter, a much more public venue: https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425 Incredibly hypocritical on her part.

This just makes me sad, what a hypocrite.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by djcapelis »

blhack wrote: post #7

I would also like a response from Sendgrid here. Somebody they sent to a conference, who was representing their company there, went on a personal vendetta against somebody and got them fired. That's awful, and I join the people I see online right now in saying that I cannot, in good conscience, ever do business with a company that supports that behavior. --And to how far Adria has set back womens' rights here-- The c…

> I cannot, in good conscience, ever do business with a company that supports that behavior.

I think we need to stop doing this bullshit in general. I'd much rather have our community check each other and shame each other on Twitter than having employers step in and decide that thing X or thing Y is not okay for their employees to say in their personal capacity at a conference or on Twitter. As far as I've heard, Adria never asked for these guys to be terminated and personally, I think it was probably inappropriate for them to be. But it's also inappropriate (read: fucking insane) to boycott a company because you don't like what one of their employees posts on their personal twitter account.

Get real.

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