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Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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How in the world is this an "Uber" driver... Doesn't he work for a company that's using Uber? Find this a bit of a sensationalized smear on the service to associate him so closely with it.

Uber approved him as a driver, he receives clients through Uber, he receives payments through Uber...

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#52

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None at all, unless you make a habit of victim blaming.

Not to diminish what is going on but at this point all we have is heresy, we don't know what actually happened. She could have been drunk enough that she thought it happened when it didn't (knew a few people like that, men and women in college), or she could have a history of making accusations (rape or not). It is also equally likely that something did happen to her and that her accusations are accurate and somethin…

>Not to diminish what is going on but at this point all we have is heresy, we don't know what actually happened

It is only ever sexual assault cases where this many calls for skepticism -as to whether a crime even happened- are made.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#53
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It's not clear to me how government licensing would prevent an already illegal rape.

Well, if unlicensed drivers constitute 80% of all stranger rapes (seems high, but let's take it at face value), and fewer than 80% of all drivers are unlicensed (highly likely), it certainly does seem to do something to help prevent it. Maybe easy trace-ability and filtering out of previously convicted criminals plays a part, which isn't too big a stretch.

Or alternately: people inclined to use taxis to facilitate rape are not really driving for a living anyway, and are likely not concerned about violating a licensing law.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#54
post #19

At least one critic of the company warned exactly about this a long while ago: "Laws don’t exist merely to frustrate the business ambitions of coastal hipsters: They also exist to protect the more vulnerable members of society. Back home in London (where such statistics are available), 11 women a month are attacked in unlicensed cabs, and unlicensed drivers are responsible for a horrifying 80 percent of all stranger…

Such a position is tantamount to saying that information brokers should be responsible for what others do with their information. That would basically moot the 1st amendment. Understandably, the limo/taxi business is somewhat exceptional, since a passenger is so much in the power of the driver. But even here, we now have technology that could moot such laws. (There's no reason why drivers couldn't be required by companies to install cameras, for example.)

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to diminish what is going on but at this point all we have is heresy, we don't know what actually happened. She could have been drunk enough that she thought it happened when it didn't (knew a few people like that, men and women in college), or she could have a history of making accusations (rape or not). It is also equally likely that something did happen to her and that her accusations are accurate and somethin…

>Not to diminish what is going on but at this point all we have is heresy, we don't know what actually happened It is only ever sexual assault cases where this many calls for skepticism -as to whether a crime even happened- are made.

Personally I do it for every case. I see it happen for murder trials, sexual abuse cases, everything in the media where the presumption is that the person is guilty and it's just a question of how much. Right now what's been reported does look fairly damning but the evidence itself hasn't been shown to the public or a jury yet. The only way for someone to be presumed innocent until proven guilty is to be skeptical of everything.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#56

I don't really appreciate the fact that the suspect is named publicly, but the victim is not. It should be either neither, or both, preferably the former. Every time I see an article about rape, there are hints of bias to full on convictions in the court of public opinion. Innocent until proven guilty! Uber probably has GPS data for the Driver's phone. Did he linger at the destination long enough for a rape to occur?…

> After all, she was just kicked out of a bar... What difference does this make?

He's pointing out that the only "evidence" so far against the driver is not coming from the most reliable source - in this case, a woman so intoxicated that she was kicked out of a bar.

If you get high enough you get symptoms of paranoia. Maybe the fact that he talked to her a little bit in the cab scared her, and when she got raped she didn't have a good enough look at the perpetrator and assumed that it was the cab driver.

Innocent until proven guilty. It's unfortunate that his name is being plastered over the news like this.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#57

Why is Über even mentioned? How about some details on the manufacturer of the seat the driver was sitting on, maybe what barber he usues too? Regardless, this is tragic if true, and my heart goes out.

It's relevant. Uber are creating a network of unregulated cabs, and people have been voicing concerns over the consequences of that. It can happen with a regulated cab too, but it's probably a little more sensitive given that there are no regulations at all. These concerns are not mine, and I'm not taking a position for or against Uber, I'm just pointing this out.

It's a matter of trust in the brand, not of whether Uber could have prevented it.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#58
post #19

At least one critic of the company warned exactly about this a long while ago: "Laws don’t exist merely to frustrate the business ambitions of coastal hipsters: They also exist to protect the more vulnerable members of society. Back home in London (where such statistics are available), 11 women a month are attacked in unlicensed cabs, and unlicensed drivers are responsible for a horrifying 80 percent of all stranger…

Except Uber drivers are licensed with their parent companies who provide the cars and services to fill Uber requests. Or that was my impression of their model.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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post #19

At least one critic of the company warned exactly about this a long while ago: "Laws don’t exist merely to frustrate the business ambitions of coastal hipsters: They also exist to protect the more vulnerable members of society. Back home in London (where such statistics are available), 11 women a month are attacked in unlicensed cabs, and unlicensed drivers are responsible for a horrifying 80 percent of all stranger…

We had a scandal similar to this in Peru a few months ago: http://www.larepublica.pe/26-06-2012/imagenes-demuestran-que...

"Taxi Satelital" is a taxi company valued for its safety and overall ease of use, that subcontracts each ride to a pool of licensed drivers (like uber).

A young woman accused one of its drivers of drugging and abusing her. Everyone assumed she was right and went all "duke-lacrosse" on the firm, which we assumed will have to go bust soon. The next day, the CEO appeared on TV with a CC video, the phone call audio, GPS records, and even one witness, showing that she was indeed making it up.

After seeing this happen one too many times, I think its prudent if we withhold judgement and let the police do their job. That said, I do believe unlicensed drivers are a huge issue in thefts, kidnappings, and rapes in many parts of the world (London as you quoted, but this is also common knowledge in most of Latin America)

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#60
post #7

Rape accusations, true or not, always end destroying the accused, specially because there are low penalties for false accusations, and the media is very fast in plastering the person name and photo everywhere. Also, being a driver is kinda dangerous regarding that, I have some driver friends, and they all have the same rule: They don't pick up lone women, period, it might be raining, hurricane, dust storm, middle of…

It says she paid her fare. What other motive could she have had to make this accusation? Unfortunately, there is little evidence to go on at this point aside from her testimony, so much of this discussion is mere speculation.

Here in Brazil this is not to avoid fare, fare is chump change, it is to extort, or "repent". One case that I know, the woman had consensual sex with the driver, and got pregnant, her boyfriend dumped her, and then she accused the driver of rape. Happily for the driver she was a bad liar and contradicted herself many times, so the cops dropped the case.
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