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Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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Why is Über even mentioned? How about some details on the manufacturer of the seat the driver was sitting on, maybe what barber he usues too? Regardless, this is tragic if true, and my heart goes out.

Uber is mentioned because Washington have said that Uber is an unlicensed taxicab company, although they've changed some rule to make it allowable.

(http://www.npr.org/2012/01/31/146123433/upstart-car-service-...)

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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post #19

At least one critic of the company warned exactly about this a long while ago: "Laws don’t exist merely to frustrate the business ambitions of coastal hipsters: They also exist to protect the more vulnerable members of society. Back home in London (where such statistics are available), 11 women a month are attacked in unlicensed cabs, and unlicensed drivers are responsible for a horrifying 80 percent of all stranger…

It's not clear to me how government licensing would prevent an already illegal rape.

Well, if unlicensed drivers constitute 80% of all stranger rapes (seems high, but let's take it at face value), and fewer than 80% of all drivers are unlicensed (highly likely), it certainly does seem to do something to help prevent it. Maybe easy trace-ability and filtering out of previously convicted criminals plays a part, which isn't too big a stretch.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear to me how government licensing would prevent an already illegal rape.

Tracking, people are far less likely to commit crimes if they need to be identified beforehand. Background checking, while far from foolproof it's both a deterrent and a preventative measure. Higher barriers to entry, if it takes significant amounts of effort and money to be able to drive a cab then people are both less likely to risk it and going to try something else to have their 'fun'.

Uber drivers are already identified beforehand, have to go through background checks, and, as we've learned in the article, are suspended if they are even accused of a crime. They are also tracked by GPS and probably cam, and probably will soon be tracked via other means as well (driver's door opening, etc.)

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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post #19

At least one critic of the company warned exactly about this a long while ago: "Laws don’t exist merely to frustrate the business ambitions of coastal hipsters: They also exist to protect the more vulnerable members of society. Back home in London (where such statistics are available), 11 women a month are attacked in unlicensed cabs, and unlicensed drivers are responsible for a horrifying 80 percent of all stranger…

This is very different from the dark days of unlicensed London minicabs. Unlicensed minicab drivers would literally not be traceable - no driver id, no company, no receipt. The car would have license plates but even then how do you track down the driver? Here the fact that she ordered the driver by phone, and had a receipt on her phone, means that she could clearly track down the cab driver. Which is a good thing, and probably the best possible deterrent to this kind of thing happening more often.

[edit] Also its worth noting that the reason people would risk unlicensed cabs in London was that taxi licenses were so strictly controlled that prices were quite ridiculous for many.[edit2] And that the solution to the issue in London was to license the minicabs where trying to shut them down demonstrably failed.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#46
post #2

Yikes. Anyone know how a startup protects themselves from liability in this kind of situation?

Yes, lawyer up, but I think many of these comments are missing the true lesson here.

You need to take the proper precautions. Uber's screening of their drivers is laughable. Regulations don't exist solely to make your life miserable, and hopefully this incident, true or not, gives them the shock they need to understand their problem. While I appreciate what Uber's service is trying to accomplish, sacrificing safety is not the kind of "disruption" this industry needs.

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> After all, she was just kicked out of a bar... What difference does this make?

It's the word of one person against the word of another. If it were two men and you had to choose whom to believe, you would probably find it more likely that the lier is the one that otherwise causes more problems, and e.g. gets kicked out of bars.

So when an otherwise upstanding man brutally rapes a vulnerable woman, it's his word against hers? Rape is almost always perpetrated from a position of power. That's why most rapes are committed by men against women.

That aside, they caught the incident on camera, so it is not one person's word against another's: http://dcist.com/2012/12/uber_customer_accuses_driver_of_rap...

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

#48
post #19

At least one critic of the company warned exactly about this a long while ago: "Laws don’t exist merely to frustrate the business ambitions of coastal hipsters: They also exist to protect the more vulnerable members of society. Back home in London (where such statistics are available), 11 women a month are attacked in unlicensed cabs, and unlicensed drivers are responsible for a horrifying 80 percent of all stranger…

According to the article, the (legally, still "alleged") rapist was a licensed limo driver with Capital Limo. With the information we have so far, he was following the law totally with respect to taxi/limo licensing.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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post #35

I don't really appreciate the fact that the suspect is named publicly, but the victim is not. It should be either neither, or both, preferably the former. Every time I see an article about rape, there are hints of bias to full on convictions in the court of public opinion. Innocent until proven guilty! Uber probably has GPS data for the Driver's phone. Did he linger at the destination long enough for a rape to occur?…

I started to agree with you in terms of "fair is fair", but on the other hand rape is severely undereported partly because of the embarrassment, if you know you'll be publicly named I can't imagine that will increase the number of reports.

Not to draw any conclusions, but hiding the name has the effect of reinforcing that there's something to be embarrassed about.

Re: Uber driver charged with raping woman in D.C.

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post #35

I don't really appreciate the fact that the suspect is named publicly, but the victim is not. It should be either neither, or both, preferably the former. Every time I see an article about rape, there are hints of bias to full on convictions in the court of public opinion. Innocent until proven guilty! Uber probably has GPS data for the Driver's phone. Did he linger at the destination long enough for a rape to occur?…

I started to agree with you in terms of "fair is fair", but on the other hand rape is severely undereported partly because of the embarrassment, if you know you'll be publicly named I can't imagine that will increase the number of reports.

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