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Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by BSousa »

jurassic wrote: post #47
BSousa wrote: post #35

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You got a lot of flack from others from this comment. To be honest, I agree with you. I always opposed women only events, and I think these grants are also horrible. Maybe it is an USA problem, but I worked in various industries (games, banking, insurance, B2B, B2C) all over Europe and never saw much discrimination against women (not saying didn't happen). Sure the ratios are skewed, but everywhere I worked, I worked…

If you ask women who work in tech, and if they feel comfortable telling you the truth, many of them will respectfully disagree with you. Just because you do not perceive bias or discrimination does not mean it is not there. I was recently at a women's event at the Southern California Linux Expo and everybody had a story to tell. I am glad Hacker School is explicitly trying to be welcoming, because I'm sure there are…

As I mentioned, and I think others have as well in other threads, this seems more like a USA thing. And I would say some of them were comfortable telling me the truth as some of them in college I was dating. In the work place I never dated any, but was close friends with some and never heard a complain. Actually, thinking about it, while the ratio is skewed in the programming front, where I worked, there was a tendency (albeit small) for women to be more represented in higher level positions. Heck, I just accepted a job leading a team at a startup where all programmers are men, but both C level executive are women.

Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by jerrya »

achompas wrote: post #32
jerrya wrote: post #31

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Whoa. There is a huge gap between my disagreeing with clearly sexist based policies and saying that sexism, even so called benevolent sexism is a bad thing, and your claiming I am misogynistic or that my point of view is insane, or even idiotic. That I do not agree with any form of sexism makes me egalitarian, not misogynistic. You are way out of line, bub. And while I do not know Danilo Campos or whether he/she is e…

There is a huge gap between my disagreeing with clearly sexist based policies and saying that sexism, even so called benevolent sexism is a bad thing, and your claiming I am misogynistic or that my point of view is insane, or even idiotic. That's a very uncharitable reading of my comment. I made no statement about you aside from the lack of nuance in your argument (the whole zomg part). I think you took issue with th…

I raised that point b/c people on Twitter were characterizing your remarks as representative of HN as a whole, when in practice I've found that we debate this issue carefully (again, as opposed to your blanket statement calling them sexist).

I suggest you address twitter issues on twitter. HN issues on HN. I don't see how replying on HN to me with a shoutout to twitter, helps any conversation on twitter.

And any conversation on twitter that represents HN as monolithic in thought, or unable to debate issues thoroughly is prima facie not-serious, (that is, until you tell me of some person you believe whose self-assigned role it is to go around enforcing thought at HN with a whack and a stick.)

I can't begin to tell you how creeped out I am that there are twitter stalkers commenting about this article or my response on twitter, drawing conclusions, saying who knows what based on zero knowledge and yet afraid to discuss the issues here.

Doesn't say much for Internet Discourse 2013.

Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by jerrya »

pg wrote: post #38
jerrya wrote: post #3

I am flagging this. I am flagging this precisely because I believe the Hacker School experience is valuable and yet you offer a sexist and discriminatory grant to women. Hacker School is valuable due to the experiences, the education, and the networking opportunities. Do you offer scholarships for living expenses? We offer a limited number of $5,000 need-based grants for women to do Hacker School. You can apply for a…

That was an abuse of flagging. It's fine (though boring after a while) to complain about links to sites whose policies you disagree with, but not to flag them as offtopic.

Well my apologies then, and thank you for the clarification on the flagging policy. I do seem to note my ability to flag stories seems to have vanished if only temporarily....

I don't understand why you think it's boring for participants to complain about policies they dislike about the organizations that post here. Especially when those policies relate to hackers, hackers and society, or even just our roles as citizens in society.

I think this is one way how awareness is raised, and changed effected, and I think it's especially valuable on forums like this one, that are widely read and respected throughout the industry.

Personally, I would like to see Etsy offer grants to people in need, regardless of sex or gender. I think that's every bit as much an issue for Hackers as women's status in hackerdom, or whether Ubuntu has gone too far this time.

What would be more boring is a policy of don't say anything out of fear of being controversial on Hacker News.

Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by orangethirty »

duaneb wrote: post #46
cglee wrote: post #39

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Like this? http://www.gotealeaf.com (disclaimer, I'm an instructor)

That's only for ruby webapps, so not exactly a replacement for Hacker School.

In contrast the one I mention uses different languages. But if you are looking to be a rails dev that one is not a bad choice. And it's we priced.

Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by dschobel »

jrajav wrote: post #4

I would probably like participating in something like this, but it's not really an option being on-site. Seems like it's geared towards students on summer leave, and not those who may already have a job or other obligations.

+1. Another ex-professional dev (for +6 years) who left to do Hacker School here.

A lot of the students seem to have at least a few years of experience under their belt but it totally runs the gamut; you'll meet everything from people a few months into the hacking pursuit to people with decades of experience. And yes, it's a staggeringly amazing program. :)

Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by T_Rex »

jrajav wrote: post #4

I would probably like participating in something like this, but it's not really an option being on-site. Seems like it's geared towards students on summer leave, and not those who may already have a job or other obligations.

I was a hardware engineer for four years when I applied for hacker school. I was working for one of the major microcontroller manufacturers. I quit my job as soon as I was accepted. I was looking for a way to get into the software world, and am very grateful that I found hacker school. I learned more in those three months than I could have ever imagined. I'm now working with an amazing team in NY on some very challenging machine learning applications. Looking back, it was one of the best decisions of my life.

Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by DigitalTurk »

jerrya wrote: post #8
DigitalTurk wrote: post #7

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> It is within your rights to offer this grant. But I see no reason why your sexist bullshit should be advertised without complaint at Hacker News. Apparently you think this is (i) sexist but (ii) within their right to do. That's unusual… even if you believe this, why would you bring it up? > Do you feel comfortable about traditional "old boys networks", the existence of such were one valid reason that women's groups…

"Apparently you think this is (i) sexist but (ii) within their right to do. That's unusual… even if you believe this, why would you bring it up?" Basically, I think "we" have a right to freedom of association. And so many distasteful behaviors, like sexism, are legal, but should not be tolerated nor encouraged. Hacker School may be within their legal rights to offer discriminatory grants. The Boy Scouts are apparentl…

> Kenehora. You are zazen. Everyone should be you. You sound like a true bootstrapper, a self-made man that needs no help from others.

Actually, that doesn't sound like me at all! I have benefited from need-based grants and a cheap education system. And even despite these great conditions I almost screwed up my education several times. It took some time for me to get my act together!

Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by aptwebapps »

jerrya wrote: post #53
pg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was an abuse of flagging. It's fine (though boring after a while) to complain about links to sites whose policies you disagree with, but not to flag them as offtopic.

Well my apologies then, and thank you for the clarification on the flagging policy. I do seem to note my ability to flag stories seems to have vanished if only temporarily.... I don't understand why you think it's boring for participants to complain about policies they dislike about the organizations that post here. Especially when those policies relate to hackers, hackers and society, or even just our roles as citiz…

I don't think pg meant it was boring for people to complain about policies they don't like. He seems to have meant it was boring for people to complain about linking to sites that they don't like. I don't think you actually did that directly, but you did say you flagged it, which could be construed the same way.

Re: Apply to seventh batch of Hacker School

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Post by saiko-chriskun »

nicholasjbs wrote: post #5
saiko-chriskun wrote: post #2

how many applicants does hacker school actually get?

(Hacker School founder here) It's varied a good amount by batch, but for our past couple batches, we've gotten a few hundred. That said, I don't think looking at raw numbers is particularly useful, because many (most?) of the people we say no to fall into one of these categories: * the applicant says he/she wants something very different from what Hacker School is (e.g., a highly structured curriculum, some sort of "…

awesome thanks :). I really want to apply one of these days, just need the money and time to get out to new york for three months hehe.
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