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Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by alexpenny »

swanson wrote: post #163
alexpenny wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the icons in question. http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png Also, the Flat-UI guy also copied other artists on dribbble. http://cl.ly/image/3Q181w0b1u2K From http://drbl.in/eXkk , and http://drbl.in/gmsD I'm not saying these are in copyright violation, merely examples he has copied prior work.

Seriously? It's a clock - how many unique ways are there to design it? It's a folded up map with pins in it. He moved the hour/minutes hands, changed the colors and shadows, used different continents in the map.

Here are a thousand other ways to design a clock. http://dribbble.com/search?q=clock+icon

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by deelowe »

alexpenny wrote: post #157
mikeash wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Eventually, he removed the most blatant icons which (in my eyes) is an admission of guilt." Sure, couldn't possibly be that he just wanted to do whatever it took to get you to leave him alone.

Here are the icons in question. http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png Also, the Flat-UI guy also copied other artists on dribbble. http://cl.ly/image/3Q181w0b1u2K From http://drbl.in/eXkk , and http://drbl.in/gmsD I'm not saying these are in copyright violation, merely examples he has copied prior work.

s/copied/used as inspiration/

Copyright means you literally copied the design. Are you maybe confusing copyright and trademark? With trademark, you can get in trouble for creating brand confusion, which has a more to do with the look and feel than the actual copy.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by datasage »

alexpenny wrote: post #157
mikeash wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Eventually, he removed the most blatant icons which (in my eyes) is an admission of guilt." Sure, couldn't possibly be that he just wanted to do whatever it took to get you to leave him alone.

Here are the icons in question. http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png Also, the Flat-UI guy also copied other artists on dribbble. http://cl.ly/image/3Q181w0b1u2K From http://drbl.in/eXkk , and http://drbl.in/gmsD I'm not saying these are in copyright violation, merely examples he has copied prior work.

All it manages to show is that as a designer he is not very original and maybe influenced a bit too much about what he is inspired by. But this in itself is not a copyright violation.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by btilly »

elemeno wrote: post #114
evdawg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This appears to be an abuse of process from LayerVault. They have a design in a style that's not quite originally theirs-- they've seemingly abused the DMCA to have github remove a completely unrelated UI kit in the same style. The two items in question are as follows: https://layervault.com/ http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/ Flat UI has (seemingly) been designed and developed completely independently, having not…

The rebuttal is a DMCA Counter-Notification. They're easy to write and just asset that you do in fact own the copyright, or are otherwise authorised the use the materials that the DMCA notice referred to. Once that's been done, the host has to restore the removed content within a certain time period and the issuers of the original notice have to take action directly against you (as in sue you) if they want to pursue…

The host cannot restore that content within 10 days.

10 days can be a long time to have stuff go unexpectedly offline.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by arrrg »

mrmaddog wrote: post #87

And here's a reply from Allan: https://news.layervault.com/stories/1992-layervault-whats-up... Looks like the pitchforks are out over on HN. It was pretty straightforward. Our reaction was "Cool, a flat UI theme" to "Wait, this looks familiar" to "Wait, are those our illustrations?". I contacted the designmodo people over email, because that's the right way to handle this. The owner was being stubborn at first and re…

I’m sorry, but that doesn’t look like a copyright infringement to me. I cannot see any artwork that was directly lifted. The icons may be superficially similar but they are no copies.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by milkshakes »

alexpenny wrote: post #171
swanson wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? It's a clock - how many unique ways are there to design it? It's a folded up map with pins in it. He moved the hour/minutes hands, changed the colors and shadows, used different continents in the map.

Here are a thousand other ways to design a clock. http://dribbble.com/search?q=clock+icon

What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by enra »

When the Flat UI was released, I was waiting for Layervaults response. In their defence, the style, colors, some of the icons are very close to Layervaults, so I can understand their frustration. I have no doubt that designmodo had more than "inspiration" from Layervault.

Probably they didn't break copyright, but basically they copied the style and made it a commodity (this is like the Svbtle thing all over again). Flat design is a trend, but I haven't seen similar site, with similar colors and style as Layervault. When you ripoff something almost 1:1 in design, necessarily it isn't illegal but it isn't honorable either. As a designer, you shouldn't do that to other designers.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by tptacek »

cooldeal wrote: post #144
tptacek wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What evidence? What am I missing? Does someone have a link to the Flat UI icon he's referring to? The impression I got from his message is, Flat UI included a verbatim copy of the DN icon .

Here's the comparisons. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5332635 It's certainly not a verbatim copy or even close.

Agree! Thanks.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by pyre »

DanBC wrote: post #53
3amOpsGuy wrote: post #46

The designmodo logo is quite debian-esque. Maybe too close to debian's i'd think. EDIT: https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7d9027189b18855f5f2ddeb7d...

Eh, they're just logos. They're pretty different. Ignoring the colour (red on white VS white on blue) and the distressing of the Debian logo vs the cleanness of the designmodo logo there's the opening of the spiral - Debian curve starts at 6 o clock, while designmodo starts at 4:30 or 5 o clock. And the inside of the Debian loop goes further.

But they're similar. They were obviously copied with willful and malicious intent! DMCA sent!

[ Note that the DN logo and the FlatUI newspaper icon that have been held up as examples by LV are about as similar as these two icons. ]

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Post by tptacek »

justjimmy wrote: post #132
tptacek wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did he "kinda" copy it, or is it a copy? The two icons we're comparing here are not copies . They are markedly dissimilar.

Well, LV said 'They even managed to kinda lift the old DN icon :)' Don't know if 'kinda' is being used to soften the accusation or it's not a straight up copy - I can't see the icon they are talking about. http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/ Edit: Found them and slapped them together for side by side comparison http://imgur.com/rli5IVU

They've been posted upthread, and they aren't copies.
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