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Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by zaphoyd » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 12:45 PM UTC

anti-pattern wrote: post #9

nwh wrote: post #7

The Mac Pro bar isn't quite correct. The last update was only due to Intel not producing the old processors any more. Apple didn't even flag it as "new" on their store.

You might be right, let me look into that. There's a bit of gray area as to what technically constitutes a "release".

Seconding this. The 2012 "update" was no more than a slight rearranging of CPU and RAM within that same generation of parts. The thing still uses all 2010 era parts (radeon 5xxx graphics, westmere xeons, 3gbit SATA, PCI-E 2, no thunderbolt). It has been "due" for an update since sandy bridge xeons were released in early 2012.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by nathan_long » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 3:14 PM UTC

rdl wrote: post #71

What I would find useful is seeing the things blocking each update. E.g. Mac Pro waiting on new Xeon CPUs from Intel, new iPad basically not enough time since last release, EOL for iPod classic, etc.

The languishing of iPod Classic is the saddest thing on there to me. I really think the scroll wheel is better than a touch interface. Tactile feedback makes it easier to use without looking.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by scholia » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 4:02 PM UTC

imsky wrote: post #99

hollerith wrote: post #98

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Does anyone have an explanation for this puzzling neglect of the market for "high-end" Mac desktops?

Here's my theory. Apple has made its reputation in the 90s with the film/graphics/illustration market, and that's where the Power Mac/Mac Pro was a critical product. Once the switch to Intel was made and laptops started catching up in speed/GPU power, less people needed a fixed tower just for Photoshop/After Effects/Maya, they just put those apps on a laptop. Moreover, the professional market is always smaller than t…

A lot of that market has already defected to Windows for the price/performance improvements, except for Final Cut users. If you're running Adobe CS, you don't need a Mac, and Mac OS X has relatively few advantages over Windows 7 for pro work.

The line I hear is "I'd rather be using a Mac, but...."

It's true that Apple tends to fit high-end Core chips in notebooks, but last year's Core i7-3770K still gives you step up in performance over this year's Retina MBP. And for pro users, time is money.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by Sujan » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 5:23 PM UTC

Nice work.

Some feedback:

- Bug: The site breaks the back button of Firefox somehow.

- Suggestion: A timeline view of the previous releases on the detail page could help to make the patterns more clear.

- Suggestion: Maybe change the color of the bar when an update is overdue.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by eropple » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 5:24 PM UTC

GHFigs wrote: post #74

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #14

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A successor to Apple's current desktop display is more likely at least 7 months out. Look at the historical data: ignoring the outlier, Apple releases a new screen every 25 months - we're 18 months in. The last update was timed so because Apple switched from Mini DisplayPort to Thunderbolt. http://arrival.io/apple-thunderbolt-display As for Apple releasing a TV screen, I don't see it happening for at least a couple o…

My pet theory[1] is that they'll jump to 4k/QFHD (3840x(2160,2400)) by using the same panels for a desktop Retina Display and as a stand-alone Apple TV. I think this would "shake things up" without having to sell in iPhone/iPad volumes. A desktop Retina Display would be a great pairing with a Mac Pro replacement, which one might expect when Intel's Haswell starts shipping, which happens to be around 106 days from now…

I came by this information second-hand so I can't verify it, but I have been told that there aren't enough PCIe lanes going to each Thunderbolt port to drive a 4K panel at 60Hz. Which makes me as a rMBP owner super, super sad if it's true.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by anti-pattern » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 5:40 PM UTC

ghshephard wrote: post #103

This site is a rip off of the work that macrumors has been doing for several years. See: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ At the very least they should provide a credits link somewhere on their page.

Actually, the entire reason I made this site was because I thought the way MacRumors visualized the data wasn't very good. If they had done a better job, I wouldn't have needed to make this.

As for credit... what should I be crediting them for? I'm just collecting a list of dates and then visualizing the data.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by anti-pattern » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 5:41 PM UTC

badgar wrote: post #91

anti-pattern wrote: post #68

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I built my own because their design, and I mean literally the way they visualize the data, isn't very good. Or rather, it's not as good as it could be. They even updated the design a year or two ago and all they did was give it a coat of paint, rather than rethinking how to best visualize the data.

That's a great reason! I agree their design sucks and yours is orders of magnitude more usable. It's just too bad that you have to re-collect the same data. N historically up-to-date data sources for N designs is just unscalable.

Indeed. Maybe I'll post the data on GitHub or something.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by anti-pattern » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 5:45 PM UTC

gstar wrote: post #95

anti-pattern wrote: post #52

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Oh I remember seeing that when it came out. Did you take it down?

Yeah, someone from Apple emailed me and asked me to - so I did.

Oh, interesting. Did they give a reason? Was it legal? MacRumors has been doing this for some time, I can't imagine that there's anything illegal about it.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by GHFigs » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 9:16 PM UTC

eropple wrote: post #115

GHFigs wrote: post #74

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My pet theory[1] is that they'll jump to 4k/QFHD (3840x(2160,2400)) by using the same panels for a desktop Retina Display and as a stand-alone Apple TV. I think this would "shake things up" without having to sell in iPhone/iPad volumes. A desktop Retina Display would be a great pairing with a Mac Pro replacement, which one might expect when Intel's Haswell starts shipping, which happens to be around 106 days from now…

I came by this information second-hand so I can't verify it, but I have been told that there aren't enough PCIe lanes going to each Thunderbolt port to drive a 4K panel at 60Hz. Which makes me as a rMBP owner super, super sad if it's true.

The 2011 MBP could drive two 2560x1600 displays (chained) through a single port, which requires about the same bandwidth as a single 3840x2160. So I don't think that would be an issue, though obviously the GPU is still a limitation.

I appear to be hellbanned from posting links, but I gather this from page 8 of AnandTech's review of the Thunderbolt display and the Wikipedia article for DisplayPort.

Re: Expected arrival times for Apple products

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Post by aorshan » Sat, Mar 02, 2013, 10:08 PM UTC

imsky wrote: post #100

aorshan wrote: post #70

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You could also buy a refurbished mac. They tend to be about $300 cheaper than the retail version and tend not to have any problems. I just bought one and so far its been perfect. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac

The outdated hardware often makes the savings not worth it.

I just bought a MBP 15-inch retina display with a 2.3GHz i7, 8 gigs of 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM, 256GB Flash Storage, and a NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory. What about that is outdated?