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Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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I've actually wondered this myself. Why isn't there a good preconfigured drop in solution for this? It would be especially nice if it had a good web front-end that you could log into remotely. How hard would it be to develop something like this? I assume it would be a matter of forking an existing project and adding some custom configs. The hard part would be the web component.

Freedom box has talked and hopefully worked on doing this, but Im not sure if they have gotten as far as improving the interface of a webmail yet. Still, I do think there exist some very talented grafic designers out there that would enjoy playing around with a webmail interface. Hopefully, articles like this will increase the demand and interest in run-it-your-self webmail packages, so one would do that and not spen…

IIRC, most webmail packages now (SquirrelMail, RoundCube) are just web front-ends to IMAP. It stands to reason that something more integrated, is probably more difficult.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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In my experience, it is not so much the installation itself, but the regular maintenance and the many subtle errors that can occur, which make running your own email server NOT as trivial as you make it sound :). As for a few examples: 1. Mailservers around the world have different degrees of strictness in what they accept. Some require the sender’s mailserver to have a valid and matching PTR and A/AAAA (!) DNS recor…

I agree with both of you. Mail is hard, not easy. We should host our own email anyway, because the alternatives suck. I wonder if there is a "Mail Admin Best Practices" doc floating around the web yet?

There have been a couple of "setting up a mail server" howtos come through here. I recall one that was huge in the depth that it went into (the depth also made sure that I never got around to reading it).

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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When you let someone else handle your email, they own your email. There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading. They can touch, modify or delete according to their whims. It's their email now. So I am not that very surprised to hear a news article like this. It makes perfectly sense with the current mentality. It also adds another nail in the coffin about idea that "only a machine is reading my emails. Why…

yes yes yes! I 100% agree. It would be interesting to hear from someone with some legal knowledge. I suspect in many countries it's the case that if you host your email with a third pary (iCloud, gmail, FB, etc) you give up some rights to privacy ... whereas if you host your email on your own server that you physically control, for example in your personal home, your rights to privacy are greater. Even on Ubuntu Serv…

Note that if you host on a shared machine or a VM, then law enforcement is still likely to see it as your host's box with your data on it, rather than your box with your data on it.

The most conservative approach would be a co-located machine that you own (i.e. your physical property, so they probably need a warrant) or on a machine in your home.

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> Just look at Objective C for 5 minutes I'm willing to bet you've looked at it for much less than that.

Have I tried to develop anything using it? No. Have I looked at the source code on numerous occasions, trying to come to terms with it's verbosity and ugliness? Yes.

  | verbosity and ugliness
Subjective metrics to define objective reality? Say it ain't so.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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When you let someone else handle your email, they own your email. There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading. They can touch, modify or delete according to their whims. It's their email now. So I am not that very surprised to hear a news article like this. It makes perfectly sense with the current mentality. It also adds another nail in the coffin about idea that "only a machine is reading my emails. Why…

In my experience, it is not so much the installation itself, but the regular maintenance and the many subtle errors that can occur, which make running your own email server NOT as trivial as you make it sound :). As for a few examples: 1. Mailservers around the world have different degrees of strictness in what they accept. Some require the sender’s mailserver to have a valid and matching PTR and A/AAAA (!) DNS recor…

Plus you need offsite backups, for both content and config... it's an escalating problem.

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While we're keeping history in context, let's also not forget this is also the company that was borderline irrelevant prior to their current direction.

>While we're keeping history in context, let's also not forget this is also the company that was borderline irrelevant prior to their current direction. You're retconning. Apple hasn't been 'borderline irrelevant' since before they launched the iPod in 2001. There's a six year gap there in between the iPod and the iPhone, and imho they didn't really change their direction until 2010 or 2011, with the release of OSX L…

I partially agree with you, but I'd like to point out that, from some points of view, launching the iPod was Apple's first step in their current direction.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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When you let someone else handle your email, they own your email. There is no postal secrecy law, no rule against reading. They can touch, modify or delete according to their whims. It's their email now. So I am not that very surprised to hear a news article like this. It makes perfectly sense with the current mentality. It also adds another nail in the coffin about idea that "only a machine is reading my emails. Why…

I've written about this before, but I used to run my own mail server and it's no cake walk.

I used to do greylisting with spamd and ended up silently losing quite a lot of email. (Many mail hosts do not re-send from the same IP, meaning messages essentially get stuck forever.) Doing spam checks at DATA time and rejecting obviously bad emails outright seemed much more effective and less dangerous. I never managed to get Spamassassin to do this, but auto-rejecting languages you don't read also cuts down on spam a lot.

(I missed out on a consulting opportunity because the client's host of choice seemed to be a known spammer and my mail server's filtering was too aggressive about trusting blacklists. I chose to silently-reject those types of messages, so nobody got a bounce. Fortunately, someone was nice enough to ask me about it out-of-band so at least I was able to turn off greylisting and blacklisting before losing much more mail.)

I never found an imapd that scaled to having a lot of messages in a folder, so I ran a cron-job to move mail offline after 2 weeks (for mailing lists) and 1 year (for INBOX). Similarly, I never found a good client to use; Gnus had a very cryptic configuration that I could never believe worked, and mutt was not Emacs-y enough. Reading my email mostly consisted of waiting for Gnus and deleting spam. (I never figured out a good way to get Gnus to move messages marked as spam somewhere so that I could run a cron job to automatically train Spamassassin on the known-bad emails.

For search, I used HyperEstraier: http://sourceforge.net/projects/hyperestraier/

You set it up to run the ingestion program as a cron job every 10 minutes, and then you get a CGI that will show you matching emails for your query. Of course, you can't actually click the links and go anywhere unless you set up some sort of web-based email viewer. I never found anything I liked so I lived without webmail. (There are lots of options. All difficult to configure and probably riddled with security holes.)

Once your server is up and running, you need a secondary MX and a backup plan for your email. (I used Dyn.com's secondary MX hosting service. A lot of spam comes in through the secondary MX, so you can't just implicitly trust it. This involves more configuration.)

Finally, spam filtering uses a lot of CPU and RAM, so you have to pay for a rather expensive virtual machine. Linode's $40/month plan seemed mostly adequate.

I don't really like composing email in the web browser, but I've gotten used to it and $5/month for Gmail and $0/month of my time screwing around with spam filters seemed like a good tradeoff.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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This may sound weird to say, but I'm starting to think that most of Apple's problems come from the fact that it is a hardware company rather than a software company. In a very real way, it seems that they don't get software. I think it comes from pervasive product focus. They are great with products. Less so with the area around the product. Can't have something as nebulous as a cloud without trying to control the pr…

Apple gets software. The problem is they have never gotten network software or network services.

It's nice that I can use iCloud to find my iPhone and that it keeps my contacts in sync.

Except that it can't keep notes in sync correctly. Which shouldn't be surprising because notes aren't actually notes, they're stored in an email box. That's why you need an @me.com account to sync them.

Really there is no iCloud. There is an email service, a calendar service, a contacts service, a layer on the email service, a file storage service, a network transparent CoreData sync service (that is supposed to be very problematic), a todo service, a photo sharing service, and probably other things.

If it doesn't involve a network service, Apple can do wonderful things. If it does... well... it might work well enough; most of the time.

Re: Apple’s Deleting iCloud Emails That Contain The Phrase 'Barely Legal Teens'

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Have I tried to develop anything using it? No. Have I looked at the source code on numerous occasions, trying to come to terms with it's verbosity and ugliness? Yes.

| verbosity and ugliness Subjective metrics to define objective reality? Say it ain't so.

True. It is inherently subjective. I knew I would receive some flak making that last argument about ObjC being ugly, but I felt the urge to be a little sloppy to see if it resonated with anyone.

Also, my verbosity argument would be hard to defend without concrete examples of equivalent functionality being performed more succinctly (while still maintaining readability) in another language. That would be hard given my ignorance of ObjC. I withdraw that argument.

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