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Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#101

Post by bediger4000 »

nollidge wrote: post #88
bediger4000 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you suggest as the right word? I mean, theft is theft, right, whether it's 9 songs, more than 3 sentences or an image. And using the image to make money, that compounds the theft, just like getting caught with lockpicks during a burglary. We have many important, wealthy sources saying that, so you can believe it.

What does any of that have to do with whether or not "pirated" is the best word choice for this?

"Pirated" is commonly used as a simple synonym for "stolen" these days. Common usage has shorn "pirated" of any nuance or connotation. Saying "Theft is theft" means that asking for a more nuanced verb than "pirated" in this situation amounts to excusing theft.

Please excuse me for invoking a phrase that Sony itself (possibly through it's RIAA mouthpiece) uses in precisely the same context for its irony value. I should not have attempted the use of a subtle and low-energy communication modality like irony.

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#102

Post by bediger4000 »

asdfaoeu wrote: post #75
belorn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. We should give the benefit of the doubt in cases regarding commercial use from copyright infringement. If its a 9 year old who is downloading a song, then she must be aware of copyright law and thus can't be given the same benefit of the doubt. That girl is a pirate. Is it just me who thinks this logic is wrong?

Really they should have handled this the same way as the other case. Sent a 600€ request (or 6000€) for a donation to KDE and a NDA and possibly a licensing agreement. It's pretty clear Sony did not intend to do this and most likely just a placeholder image left in by mistake. Who at Sony would think saving 300$ on designing the image outweighs the risk of this.

It's pretty clear Sony did not intend to do this

How can you say this? If you've ever worked in a corporate environment, you know that layers and layers of reviews and supervision and requirements exist to prevent any mis-step. If this image flew through that process, then Sony knows what it did.

I think you're making an unwarranted assumption. My assumption about Sony's massive, multi-review process is far more likely to be upheld by fact.

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#103

Post by onemorepassword »

abrahamsen wrote: post #97
kenkam wrote: post #56

Such a shame Sony pirated their artwork. Also, such a shame the article introduces Sony as "the company who created Audio CDs which installed a rootkit on Windows computer to try to stop people copying music", as if Sony needed introduction, especially for people that read the KDE blog. Maybe it would have been more effective to point them out in a matter-of-fact way, tell them to stop or to comply with the licence,…

I thought at first it was a positive introduction: "the company who created Audio CDs".

Also known as the last honest and not deliberately crippled or degraded product to come out of the music industry.

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#104

Post by penguat »

iconfinder wrote: post #100
angry-hacker wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=settings Iconfinder is one the most popular ones around... so probably whoever is "responsible" for it used that kind of search engine. There it is: http://www.iconfinder.com/icondetails/8844/128/kit_settings_... with author, licence and all the info.

Hey, Iconfinder here :-) We care a lot about stating the license clearly since it's essential to our business. Also if there is anything copyright infringing on our site we'll remove it immediately. As far as I can tell, this icon is created by the Oxygen team and the license information is correctly presented on our site.

Yep - I don't see any blame for you guys in this thread :-)

If you know you were used for this, you might be in a position where you could choose to help out. There may well not be any clear evidence you were used in this instance though.

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#105

Post by pyre »

bediger4000 wrote: post #102
asdfaoeu wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really they should have handled this the same way as the other case. Sent a 600€ request (or 6000€) for a donation to KDE and a NDA and possibly a licensing agreement. It's pretty clear Sony did not intend to do this and most likely just a placeholder image left in by mistake. Who at Sony would think saving 300$ on designing the image outweighs the risk of this.

It's pretty clear Sony did not intend to do this How can you say this? If you've ever worked in a corporate environment, you know that layers and layers of reviews and supervision and requirements exist to prevent any mis-step. If this image flew through that process, then Sony knows what it did. I think you're making an unwarranted assumption. My assumption about Sony's massive, multi-review process is far more like…

  | If this image flew through that process, then
  | Sony knows what it did.
So there are people at Sony that can determine the source of a random icon presented to them with 100% accuracy? It's impossible that some lowly contractor somewhere copied it, and lied about it to management? It's impossible that there was human error along the way in the review process?

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#106

Post by sp332 »

jacquesm wrote: post #49

http://web.archive.org/web/20020808140127im_/http://www.true... On the left hand side of that image you see a little segment that conists of a hand, an eye and an ear. Those stand for interaction, video and audio. TrueTech hired Jonathan Kraij, a talented young designer to make that logo and it was featured in many places, magazines such as wave and many others besides in the late 90's. Not three weeks after one prom…

This isn't subconscious influence, this is copy-and-paste. I'm all for avoiding lynch mobs though.

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

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Post by nollidge »

Fargren wrote: post #98
nollidge wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of software, "piracy" has come to mean downloading and distributing copyrighted material. And I think it's fine to use it for that, even though it doesn't happen on the high seas (usually?). But this is more like plagiarism, although I'd be fine with calling it stealing or theft, which have a pretty broad meaning colloquially.

>>In the context of software, "piracy" has come to mean downloading and distributing copyrighted material. Odd, I thought if I downloaded, say, a game from a warez site I would be branded a pirate even if I didn't distribute it afterwards.

That's true, but I'm not sure I want to model my language usage after overzealous RIAA lawyers :-)

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#108

Post by nollidge »

mpyne wrote: post #90
nollidge wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of software, "piracy" has come to mean downloading and distributing copyrighted material. And I think it's fine to use it for that, even though it doesn't happen on the high seas (usually?). But this is more like plagiarism, although I'd be fine with calling it stealing or theft, which have a pretty broad meaning colloquially.

Are you saying that the image is not, in fact, used in the UEFI firmware Sony is distributing?

That's a good point, actually. I should have read closer.

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#109

Post by mbetter »

GhotiFish wrote: post #92
belorn wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that we should hold all parties to the same standard no matter who the party is, but commercial usage should add additional expectations from the defending party. Commercial use is commonly perceived as "worse" than if it's done for private/non-profit use. But my initial comment was mostly to acknowledge that we do not give the benefit of doubt to private persons, but we do to commercial entities. The law sho…

> there wouldn’t have been a single comment questioning the validity of the accusation. did you mean something else? You could not of meant that.

Could not've.

Re: Sony Pirates KDE Artwork

#110

Post by nollidge »

bediger4000 wrote: post #101
nollidge wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does any of that have to do with whether or not "pirated" is the best word choice for this?

"Pirated" is commonly used as a simple synonym for "stolen" these days. Common usage has shorn "pirated" of any nuance or connotation. Saying "Theft is theft" means that asking for a more nuanced verb than "pirated" in this situation amounts to excusing theft. Please excuse me for invoking a phrase that Sony itself (possibly through it's RIAA mouthpiece) uses in precisely the same context for its irony value. I shoul…

Ack, no, you're good. I usually think of myself as adept at identifying sarcasm but that totally went over my head. Sorry!
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